The Lutheran church –1517 AD. Founded by a man, Martin Luther, an ex-monk of the Roman Catholic Church, who violated his sacred vows of both obedience and celibacy. Luther created a brand new protestant bible by throwing out 7 books of the bible he personally didn't agree with, and added the word "alone" after the word "faith", in Romans 3:28, in order to make the verse agree with his view of what it should have said (faith alone). This alteration of sacred scripture directly contradicts James 2:24. Luther also called the Catholic Church "the whore of Babylon", and he said that the Pope was the antichrist (someone who denies that Jesus is God). The Anabaptist church – 1520 AD. Founded by a man, Nicholas Storch, and Thomas Münzer, former Lutherans. The Anabaptists rejected infant baptism and were denounced by Martin Luther. This "reformation of the reformation" is proof positive that the doctrine of "scripture alone" is false. Otherwise, there wouldn't have been more than one interpretation of scripture and no need for an anabaptist church that totally ignores Luke 18:15-17. The Mennonite church – 1525 AD. Founded by men, Grebel, Mantz, and Blaurock, in Switzerland, as an offshoot of the Anabaptists. It derived its name from Menno Simons, a former Catholic priest. The Baptist church – 1606 AD. Founded by a man, John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam, as an offshoot of the Mennonites. Baptists reject infant baptism as contrary to the Scriptures, and accept immersion as the sole valid mode of baptism. The Amish church – 1693 AD. Founded by a man, Jacob Amman, a Swiss Bishop. Also a breakaway from the Mennonite church. His followers were called the "Amish." While similar to the Mennonites, they differ in language, dress, and interpretation of the Bible. The Anglican Church – 1534 AD. Founded by a man, King Henry VIII, as a direct result of the Pope not granting him a divorce from Catherine of Aragon. Many a Catholic priest was tortured and killed as a result of the very aroused Henry trying to find another young maiden for his pleasure. The Queen of England is the current head of the Anglican Church. The Presbyterian church – 1560 AD. Founded by a man, John Knox, in Scotland. Based on the personal beliefs of a man, John Calvin, which include predestination, no free will in humans, & total depravity in mankind The Congregationalist church (The Puritans) – 1583 AD. Founded by a man, Robert Brown, in Holland. Broke away from the Church of England. Brown rejected, among other things, the authority of bishops. One Puritan, named Oliver Cromwell, got involved in the English Civil War, and overthrew Charles I in 1646. Cromwell and the British government were also responsible for the subjugation and killing of hundreds of thousands of Irish Catholics, who were also forbidden to say Mass, wear green, and sing patriotic songs. The Unitarian church – 1568 AD. Started in Poland, but died out. It was soon replaced by a man, John Biddle, in 1645 AD. The Unitarians do not believe in the Trinitarian God. The Episcopalian church – 1784 AD. Founded by a man, Samuel Seabury in the American Colonies & is an offshoot of the Church of England. They believe in women priests and bishops, artificial birth control, and they accept homosexuality as being normal and good in spite of Romans 1:26-27. The Episcopalian Church is currently undergoing a 21rst Century reformation of itself, with individual congregations breaking away from their own hierarchy over the question of scriptural inerrancy concerning homosexuality. Another proof that the doctrine of "scripture alone" without an infallible Magesterium to interpret it based on sacred Tradition is false. It seems that the Episcopal Church is more concerned with going along with the current trend of society than it is in being true to what scripture actually says about homosexuality. The Quakers - 1647 AD. Founded by a man, George Fox, in England. Also called The Society of Friends, although they originally called themselves "Children of Light". They acknowledge absolutely no authority higher than what Fox called the "inner light" of personal revelation. The Methodist church – 1739 AD. Founded by men, John and Charles Wesley, in England. The Wesley brothers were originally Anglican ministers who started a revival movement that eventually became Methodism. Yet another reformation of the reformation. The Evangelical church – 1803 AD. Founded by a man, Jacob Albright, originally a Methodist, who broke away and founded his own church. The Mormon church – 1829 AD. Also call themselves "Latter Day Saints", was founded by a man, Joseph Smith in Palmyra, New York, in 1829. They are polythesists who someday hope to become a god of their own planet. after death. They believe that God the Father was a good mormon on another planet and was so great that he became the god of our planet. They also believe that Jesus and lucifer were brothers on that former planet. The Seventh Day Adventists – 1831 AD. Founded by a man, William Miller in New York. Based on his study of the prophecy of Daniel 8:14, Miller calculated that Jesus would return to earth sometime between 1843 and 1844. This prediction is in spite of the fact that the bible says that no one will be able to predict when the Second Coming of Jesus will be (Matthew 24:36). Jehovah's Witnesses – 1872 AD. Founded by a man, Charles Taze Russell, as the "Millennial Dawnists." In 1931, Judge Rutherford, his successor, decided that henceforth they would be called, Witnesses of Jehovah, or Jehovah's Witness. The JWs deny the divinity of Christ, the resurrection of the body, and refuse to take blood transfusions. The Christian Scientists – 1879 AD. Founded by a woman, Mary Baker Eddy in Massachusetts. They also refuse blood transfusions and medical care, in spite of the fact that the gospel writer Luke was a physician. Assemblies of God - 1901 AD. Founded by a man, Charles Parham, in Topeka Kansas. They believe in the Baptism of the Spirit, miracle healings, and speaking in tongues. The Catholic Church -33 AD. Founded by God in the person of Jesus Christ. Our Lord named Peter the future leader of His Church, when He said to him "Thou art Peter (Rock), and upon this rock I will build MY Church. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven.." (Matthew 16:19).
You are using a paradox as an argument, then ignore my question. How cute. Do you have anything constructive to add?
a lot of things in the 1st post don’t seem bad and then he claims a divine origin for his faith based on his faith the crusade is not going well
Who is needed? Something always existed or nothingness is unstable and something can actually come from it that’s the same for a god including or godless universe
Watch out, I sense another angru victim coming ... someone is not having his propogandistic questions answered the way he wants them .... Do you have anything constructive to add?
The simple fact of the matter is that the Catholic Church split into many denominations after being founded, not by Jesus, but by one of his Apostles. An Apostle which was eventually killed. Now the Catholic church clearly took steps to assume the mantel of leadership within the Christian community. However, the Catholic Church drifted quite badly over time, and teh Reformation is exactly about attempts to return the church to its origins - a process that was not without contention. All of the Protestant Churches trace their origins to the same start point as Catholicism ... they simply disagree with the choices made in the mantel of that leadership. Which one is right? Ask God, he will tell you. He told me.
Greek: 28 λογιζόμεθα γὰρ δικαιοῦσθαι πίστει ἄνθρωπον χωρὶς ἔργων νόμου. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/χωρίς Preposition χωρίς (+ genitive) = without, otherwise Luther: 28 So halten wir nun dafür, daß der Mensch gerecht werde ohne des Gesetzes Werke, allein durch den Glauben. KJV: 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Young's Literal Translation: 28 therefore do we reckon a man to be declared righteous by faith, apart from works of law. К Римлянам 3:28 (Russian Synodal Version): 28 Ибо мы признаём, что человек оправдывается верою, независимо от дел закона. ("независимо от" = "independent of") --- It's clear from the Greek and various other translations that this passage was promising "justification" by faith without the need for works. Having the word "allein" (alone) in the translation does not alter the meaning.
Maybe you have the intellectual integrity to answered my question? Perhaps an answer that is not paradoxial in nature?
Wolf, your questions have been answered a thousand times in this forum. Maybe, just once, you could attempt a logical arguement? Because I assure you I am far from the only one who is sick of attempting to debate someone who simply wants to gesticulate and finger point. What is your thesis? If you cannot spell out the point you are attempting to make ... well, perhaps you can see why people get frustrated with you. Because we rebut, and you scream foul and claim that your questions are not being addressed. Spell out a point. What is your suporting evidence to back up your claim? Because vaccuous one liners and emotional quips are not evidence, even suggestion, they are just random words. Its equivalent of me saying, "God is real because ... bike! Ethics! Sex! Ble Sky!" I am sure atheists such as yourself enjoy having people say things like, "Atheism is not a religion like Scientology isn't!" Snicker, snicker ... Maybe demonstrate some insight into your understanding of the problem set by acknowledging that your adversaries in a debate might come back with some point .... and use your brain to ... anticipate ... show that you have actually thought through the problem. But when your statement is, "Atheism is like not collecting stamps," and we see it four times with a total and complete disregard for rebuttals to that vaccuous thesis statemeht ... well, what are we to conclude other than we have a poster who wants to read his own writing? Restated conclusion. At this point you again spell out the point you are trying to make, what its main supports are in general - both in support of, and refuting likely retorts. Give it a try - its an inifitely more fulfilling process, one that routinely reduces atheists to screaming to the mods in organzied hoards to make the bad man stop. It works much better than vaccuous one liners ...
You're not claiming that you actually offer rebuttals to arguments, are you? Because that would make me "snicker, snicker."
I am claiming that not ionly do I, but that atheist cult members are so emotionally charged and illogical that they have to resort to either vaccuous one liners or organized flame bait in tearful pleading with the mods - which makes me snicker snicker. The simple fact is, logic is far more of a threat to your cult than it is my faith, which is why I can lay out a process for logical arguementation, and you can only come up with a one liner. Get that a lot with atheists.
There was no "who". The universe came from nothing. The problem is that you simply don't understand the properties of nothing. Consider how things are becoming increasingly more complex over the last 5 billion years. When the Earth was first formed there wasn't any dirt on it. Now it's covered in dirt.
