Who was worse, Hitler or Stalin?

Hitler's tyranny lasted 12 years.

Stalin's lasted 29 years.

Hitler killed around 12 million civilians.

Stalin killed around 15 million civilians.

Hitler ruled most of Europe for 5 years.

Stalin ruled all of Eastern Europe and much of Asia, for more than 20 years.

so who was worse?

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based on number of years of tyranny, the total number of people affected by his tyranny, the geographic scope of his rule, Stalin was worse than Hitler

 

at the very least, Stalin was as bad as Hitler

 

You have to also take into account how and why they died, for example when the Irish starved to death on the doorstep of the richest nation in history very few people call that genocide even though they could have easily stopped it and actually shipped food away for extra profit partly causing it, but again nobody except the Irish and a few others consider this an actual genocide. The same goes for Stalin, many of those deaths he caused were due to incompetency, he was a general trying to run an economy.

"Historian J. Arch Getty noted that famine accounted for a significant part of Courtois's 100 million death toll. He believes that these famines were caused by the "stupidity or incompetence of the regime," and that the deaths resulting from the famines, as well as other deaths that "resulted directly or indirectly from government policy," should not be counted as if they were equivalent to intentional murders and executions.[20]
Mark Tauger disagrees with the authors' thesis that the famine of 1933 was artificial and genocidal. Tauger asserts that the authors' interpretation of the famine contains errors, misconceptions, and omissions that invalidate their arguments.[21]"[22]"

On top of that, the Russians lost 25 million people fighting the Nazi's, do those deaths not count on Hitlers warscore? I would argue yes.

 

they died in combat, not as victims of war crimes or genocide.

 

You did not say they had to be war crimes or genocide, you said "based on number of years of tyranny, the total number of people affected by his tyranny, the geographic scope of his rule" the war he started was a War of Tyranny, that is undeniable. The deaths in WWII were directly based on Hitlers Tyranny.

Also, I like how you ignored everything else I said

 

they were at least equally bad.

 

Hitler by a nose, mostly because he sought out his victims. But both are monsters it is like saying what is worse burning to death or boiling to death.

 

if you look at just the time span of his tyranny, number of people affected, Stalin is the worser evil

 

VERY cleverly disguised flamebait.

 

and yet you chose to respond

 

OP is trying to bait people who will say stalin was worse.

This thread is flamebait garbage.

 

Stalin was worse cause his terror lasted much longer and his legacy has inflected horror upon 3 generations of people

 

precisely! What a ridiculous poll.

 

well, Stalin killed more civilians and his terror lasted much longer.

and affected many more people.

 

^This made actually LOL considering the posters habit of posting polls with no options but the one he supports..

 

if you ask the people of Poland, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine, Belarus, and Georgia, they will tell you Stalin was much worse.

 

Ala Ostep Bender and Ragecontrition

 

if Stalin was never born, a smarter & more mentally stable person would have ruled the USSR and defeated Hitler earlier.

 

Who do you think are worse, American Nazi's or American Communists?

 

interesting question

 

Hitler, Stalin, Mao.

Three worst monsters in global history. Three sides of he same coin. Heads, tails, and edge.

In my opinion, all roasting in a hell none of them believed in.

 

both were very evil men, and both are obviously in Hell if Hell exists.

I still think Stalin's length of time and number he affected, makes him worse.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA

"For the first half of the 20th century, the Communist Party was a highly influential force in various struggles for democratic rights. It played a prominent role in the U.S. labor movement from the 1920s through the 1940s, having a major hand in founding most of the country's first industrial unions (which would later use the McCarran Internal Security Act to expel their Communist members) while also becoming known for opposing racism and fighting for integration in workplaces and communities during the height of the Jim Crow period of U.S. racial segregation.

The Communist Party notes its commitment to participating in environmental movements wherever possible, emphasizing the significance of building unity between the environmental movement and other progressive tendencies.[71] The Communist Party opposes drilling in the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge, the use of nuclear power until (and unless) there is a safe way to dispose of its waste, and conceives of nuclear war as the greatest possible environmental threat.[71]

The Communist Party USA played a significant role in defending the rights of African-Americans during its heyday in the 1930s and 1940s. The Alabama Chapter of the Communist Party USA played a highly important role in organizing the unemployed Black workers, the Alabama Sharecroppers Union, and numerous anti-lynching campaigns. Further, the Alabama chapter organized many young activists that would later go on to be prominent members in the Civil Rights Movement, such as Rosa Parks.[82] Throughout its history many of the Party's leaders and political thinkers have been African Americans. James Ford, Charlene Mitchell, Angela Davis, and Jarvis Tyner, the current executive vice chair of the Party, all ran as presidential or vice presidential candidates on the Party ticket. Others like Benjamin J. Davis, William L. Patterson, Harry Haywood, James Jackson, Henry Winston, Claude Lightfoot, Alphaeus Hunton, Doxey Wilkerson, Claudia Jones, and John Pittman contributed in important ways to the Party's approaches to major issues from human and civil rights, peace, women's equality, the national question, working class unity, Socialist thought, cultural struggle and more. African American thinkers, artists, and writers such as Claude McKay, Richard Wright, Ann Petry, W. E. B. Du Bois, Shirley Graham Du Bois, Lloyd Brown, Charles White, Elizabeth Catlett, Paul Robeson, Gwendolyn Brooks, and many more were one-time members or supporters of the Party, and the Communists also had a close alliance with Harlem Congressman Adam Clayton Powell, Jr.[83] The party's work to appeal to African-Americans continues to this day. It was instrumental in the founding of the Black Radical Congress in 1998.

The CPUSA (Communist Party of America) endorsed LGBT rights in a 2005 statement.[69] CPUSA affirmed the resolution with a statement a year later in honor of gay pride month in June 2006.[70]

The Communist Party opposed the U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War, the invasion of Grenada, and U.S. support for anti-communist military dictatorships and movements in Central America. The CPUSA was consistently opposed to the United States' 2003–2012 war in Iraq.[85] United for Peace and Justice, currently the largest peace and justice coalition in the United States, includes the CPUSA as a member group, with Judith LeBlanc, who chairs the CPUSA's Peace and Solidarity Commission, being a member of the Steering Committee of UFPJ."


With all of this in mind, can you honestly say we are equally as bad as the Fascists? You may think we are wrong, but you cant say we are evil like the Fascists, what we believe is undoubtedly with good intentions of a peaceful harmonious multicultural world, yes you may believe its impossible to achieve and our means of achieving it through a Democratic Government is "wrong" but you cant say its evil, our hearts are in the right place and that is simply undeniable despite whatever propaganda you believe about us.

 

It is interesting how the poll seems to be split right down the middle though

 

And there in lies the rub. One does not become the leader of a totalitarian state by being the nicest guy on the block. You become leader of a totalitarian state by being the most ruthless, paranoid bastard available.