why are americans so insistant on home schooling?

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  1. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

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    And very similarly, U.S history is also mitigated to simply this:

    "U.S Democracy(we're not a Democracy, so this is already a lie), Greece! The End!".

    When I say I learned nothing, let me repeat: I learned nothing. Social evaluations come from a human being's thinking capacity. What your taught, and then to go beyond what your taught is the difference from being a dope, to truly learning about life itself.
     
  2. Troianii

    Troianii Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you're a hateful bigot?

    She wasn't talking about you.

    Not really, unless you're talking about the ethnic history. Germany wasn't a unified state until the late 19th century (depending on who you ask - some say it still isn't unified)
     
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    Why do Germans have a problem with the idea of multiple providers of primary/secondary education?
     
  4. MarkusS

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    why would my government have a interest in downplaying WW II. And why exactly should we have american history? im german. we learn mostly our own history.

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    i'm not hateful, i'm rational.
     
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    No when I say America... I'm referring to how the German government portrays American involvement in WWII.

    Why would your government have an interest in downplaying WWII? Well the death count might have something to do with it:

    5.1–6.0 million Jews, including 3.0–3.5 million Polish Jews
    1.8 –1.9 million non-Jewish Poles (includes all those killed in executions or those that died in prisons, labor, and concentration camps, as well as civilians killed in the 1939 invasion and the 1944 Warsaw Uprising)
    500,000–1.2 million Serbs killed by Croat Nazis
    200,000–800,000 Roma & Sinti
    200,000–300,000 people with disabilities
    80,000–200,000 Freemasons [23]
    100,000 communists
    10,000–25,000 homosexual men
    2,000 Jehovah's Witnesses
    Raul Hilberg, in the third edition of his ground-breaking three-volume work, The Destruction of the European Jews, estimates that 5.1 million Jews died during the Holocaust. This figure includes "over 800,000" who died from "Ghettoization and general privation;" 1,400,000 who were killed in "Open-air shootings;" and "up to 2,900,000" who perished in camps. Hilberg estimates the death toll in Poland at "up to 3,000,000."[24] Hilberg's numbers are generally considered to be a conservative estimate, as they generally include only those deaths for which some records are available, avoiding statistical adjustment.[25] British historian Martin Gilbert used a similar approach in his Atlas of the Holocaust, but arrived at a number of 5.75 million Jewish victims, since he estimated higher numbers of Jews killed in Russia and other locations.[26]
     
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    I feel sorry for kids that are home schooled! It is done just to stop them from learning varied schools of thought. A woman I went to school with back in the day bragged that her daughter just made it through her 1st day in a classroom and was just fine! Did she just start kindergarten? No, 1st day of freshman year of college! I feel really bad for this girl, homeschooled for 12-13 years, sounds like a drag! Sure, there where a lot of bad memories of school, but then again, to me the good ones outnumbered those, and it's not just the academics that you learn, it's also learning to wake up in the morning and go out into the world and deal with random people and places and ideas every day! Myself, I think home schooling is nuts and bigger indoctrination than any "socialist" school would ever provide.
     
  7. MarkusS

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    why should the death count have anything to do with it? Do you honestly think that would make me feel bad? you want a serious answer? Auschwitz has as much effect on my like "wounded knee" on you or tenochtitlan on mexicans. i don't care about it. Its past. History.
     
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    Because it's more relevant to your own country than you know. On German history, I've read Caesar and Tacitus' accounts of Germanic tribes, I've read on the interactions between Germanic tribes and the Huns, Germanic expansions west and south (to include the sackings of Rome), the movement into Britain by the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes (the Angles formed 'Angland' which ultimately became 'England'). I'm familiar with Germanic saints and the spread of Christianity into Germany, and the accounts of saints like Willibrord. I know the history of Charlemagne, and his encounters with the Vikings (both in what is now northern Germany and southern France), and how his kingdom was divided into three upon his death etc. I'm familiar with the history of the Holy Roman Emperors thereafter, such as Frederick Barbarossa (a death that dramatically changed history), and the role of the Teutonic Knights in Outremer and in Prussia. I'm familiar with the Thirty Years Wars, and how the Holy Roman Emperor got his butt stomped by a Swedish King. I'm familiar with the Great Northern War, and how a Swedish king with his small force of Caroleans stomped the Saxons into the dust. I'm familiar with the formation of and rise of Prussia with Frederick the Great, Clausewitz et. all. I'm familiar with the rise of German nationalism and German unification in the 19th century, and Bismark's reforms (<-- first 'social security' pension ever). I'm familiar with Germany entrance into the first world war, and the stories of Manfred Von Richtoften, his brother Lothar (I know the odd stories of how both of them died), Udet, Lowenhardt, Voss - I've even read M. Richtoften's autobiography. I'm familiar with the Schieffen Plan and it's failure. I'm familiar with the Weimar Republic, Hindenberg, the rise of the Nazis, and a great deal of German stories from the second war (stories of many individuals, like Rommel, and of the plethora of battles). On that note, I had three relatives on my father's side who fought in Europe - two were at D-Day, one flying reconaissance and one on the beach. A third was in a tank corp that fought Rommel.

    I've already beaten that into the dust, but the simple point is this: I'm not German, I have no German ancestry (except if you trace back over a millennium), and I know all this Germany history. Why? Because it's all relevant to an understanding of world history, and American history isn't some distant and meaningless thing for Germans. If you think so... someone failed you in your education.
     
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    You're statements suggest otherwise
     
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    hate is a strong feeling, Im rather emotionless about that. More so rational.
     
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    Because science is from Satan, as are you with your liberal fascism. So flutter off. Holey Babble may be contradictory, but hey, at least it's the truth.
     
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    i always love it when people cling so desperately to their great god science. i suppose you've done extensive research into all of the scientific disciplines. have you delved into the intricacies of genetics and evolutionary theory? perhaps you've studied the cosmos in detail and the theories of the creation of the universe. no??? as with most who spout the certainty of their "facts", you have no doubt taken the word of others who claim to have discovered the answers to these mysteries. the cornerstone of true science is to constantly question the answers we have, to improve upon our understanding and even prove what we consider fact to be untrue. fact simply does not exist without direct observation and even then it may be questionable. i don't suppose any of this occurs to you as you damn the superstitious and praise the gods of science.
     
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    another one who believes only the caricatures painted by statist buffoons. some of the most well rounded young people i have ever met have been home schooled. your bias simly does not hold up.
     
  14. MarkusS

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    i change my views in science constantly with the most recent developments. I don't have a static view on the world.

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    why should the death count have anything to do with it? Do you honestly think that would make me feel bad? you want a serious answer? Auschwitz has as much effect on my like "wounded knee" on you or tenochtitlan on mexicans. i don't care about it. Its past. History. You are delusional if you think it effects the life of a young german.
     
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    Still, I don't want my kid to be 18-20 years old before she get's out and experiences the world. Sorry, I think going out to a school everyday and dealing with people other than your family is a part of learning that home schooling doesn't provide well enough for me.
     
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    The Brits invented the jet engine at the same time. (The brilliant Frank Whittle patented it in 1930...and note: his prototype engine ran-at full-power-for 20 minutes! The Me262's Jumo engines had a life of less than that.) Rockets were used in China in the 15th century, and by the British army as far back as the Napoleonic Wars.
     
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    That is cute. How much of those rockets reached space? As far as i know the V2 was the first object which entered space during its launch stage.

    And if we talk about Brits. They are german anyways. In case you didn´t know. Germans (Anglo-Saxon tribe) conquered the british islands, killed the population and replaced it.
     
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    Repeating stupid statements does not make them less stupid, only more annoying!
     
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    Fact-free pablum.
     
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    They were not intended to. They were USEFUL (like the rocket-firing US aircraft in WW2), instead of a worthless waste of resources.

    First manmade object to leave the atmosphere was a shell from the huge "Paris Gun" during WW1.
     
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    Gods of science? LMAO! Lets say that religion as a science is a failure because it cannot be demonstrated to be true. And that is the first test, existing, and if existing, that it is religion being observed, which would provide a truth.
     
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    What do you mean "well rounded," and where have you made these observations, what criteria did you use, to form this obvious "bias."
     
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    what an idjit!! religion as science?? straw man much? only a fool considers religion a science and only a bigger fool would bother to refute such claims. religion demands faith, pure and unsubstantiated, in order to survive. that the believers of the religion of science base their belief in that same faith is the surprising part of this whole equation. logic is thrown out the window whenever "authority" speaks and the consensus of corruption is enough to satisfy these self-deluded acolytes.
     
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    I think this is an interesting statement, one I have observed in Americans concerning our POW/MIAs, wars, etc. But what makes it a more compelling observation is Americans will point to Hilter and not their own leaders atrocities against Americans and others when looking at examples.

    There is no difference between Hitler & Bush when it comes to torture of human beings. Yet they casually sweep those thoughts from their minds. Many of them justified and supported the torture of human beings themselves.

    And they quickly forget the dead and maimed when rallying the battle cry from their secure couch. He who wages wars seldom fights them, and apparently quickly forgets them.

    So it is understandable what your statement says, it is common here in America as well.
     
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    I don´t say it is good that most of us give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about Auschwitz. But it is honest and true. What you expect? That a young person like me cares about some (*)(*)(*)(*) that happened decades before my birth? I have other things to worry about. Sports, university, party, daily life. Thats a simple fact.
     

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