Why are assault weapons so deadly?

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Galileo, Jun 16, 2016.

  1. QLB

    QLB Well-Known Member

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    What's clear is that you haven't fired semi-autos much less full auto weapons. Your lack of basic knowledge is clearly obvious to those of us who have. You're spewing pure gibberish. All of us know it.
     
  2. Turtledude

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    you appear not to understand weapons.

    there is no such thing as a semi automatic assault rifle
     
  3. Galileo

    Galileo Well-Known Member

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  4. Galileo

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    You're wrong according to the ATF:

    "On November 14, 1997, the President and the Secretary of the Treasury ordered a review of the importation of certain modified versions of semiautomatic assault rifles into the United States."
    https://www.atf.gov/file/57521/download
     
  5. QLB

    QLB Well-Known Member

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    Writing a fantasy story about firing an Uzi DOES not give you experience in firing weapons. We also have no verification other than you write. And what you write strongly suggests that your experience is not much more than a fantasy.
     
  6. ChrisL

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    Because "assault rifle" is a "made up" term made up by anti-rights governmental officials.
     
  7. Galileo

    Galileo Well-Known Member

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    I can't verify your experience with firearms either so we can play your game all day long which is really just a distraction from your own intellectual cowardice and inability to engage in a proper debate.

    Honey, every term was made up at some point or another.
     
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    But you can verify the fund of knowledge. For you, not so much.
     
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    But this term is not accurate in this context. The term assault rifle has always described rifles that have the ability to shoot in full auto mode.
    ARs were never called assault rifles until there was a campaign to ban them. Check your history.
     
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    VPC nonsense. A rifle hand guard makes it MO DEADLY. Nothing like 'spraying fire without aiming' to make a rifle MO DEADLY.

    In fact, they so MO DEADLY that the military won't even use them!

    Who comes up with this nonsense? Oh yeah. Liberals and special snowflakes scared of their own shadows.
     
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    None of which amounts to them being true military rifles. It is nothing more than hyperbole.
     
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    Xenamnes Banned

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    And the relevancy is what? As per Heller finding the second amendment pertains to matters of defense rather than sport, no firearm need to have a hunting or sporting purpose to be legitimate for ownership. Your talking points about traditional sporting firearms are no longer relevant to the discussion. The second amendment pertains to firearms meant to be used against those that seek to cause others harm, not for the purpose of taking deer or other game animals. That is the new bottom line, and there is no way of changing that fact.
     
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    And use of a glove, or simply gripping the magazine well, would produce the same desired results of avoiding a burnt hand. what is your proposal then?

    Beyond which, we have repeatedly addressed how the barrel shroud houses and protects the parts responsible for the method of function in AR-15 and AK-47 rifles, and their derivatives. The gas impingement tube, and the gas piston system are sensitive and cannot be exposed, otherwise they will become damaged and cease function.
     
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    To OP: the M1 garand has what you might call a barrel shroud. Do you want to ban that?
     
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    they are wrong and lying if a rifle cannot be fired automatically, its not an assault rifle. I don't care what dishonesty the government engaged in

    its the same as saying a manual automatic transmission or a pregnant virgin
     
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    The media didn't start that idiocy until the vile propaganda center's Josh Sugarbritches told them to deliberately intermix "assault rifle with semi auto"


    If lying and mendacity was an offense, Sugarbritches would be serving until the sun gobbles up the earth
     
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    Who is Josh Sugarbritches?
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    a slimy marxist guy called Josh Sugarmann. HE was thrown out of the brady bunch for being two extreme
     
  19. ChrisL

    ChrisL Well-Known Member

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    Wow! If he was too extreme for that group, he must be super duper extreme. :smile:
     
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    He's one of the real scum in a movement that has many
     
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    Groups trying to take away our rights are definitely in the category of scum, IMO.
     
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    VPC is not a reliable source.

    I will walk you through a real data source>

    Go to the FBI Uniform Crime Report (UCR), the most recent complete year is 2014:
    https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014

    Under "Offenses Known to Law Enforcement" select "Homicides"

    Scroll down a little and you will see the following:
    Expanded data by offense
    Murder
    Trends (2-year): Tables 12, 13, and 14
    Rates (per 100,000 inhabitants): Tables 16, 17, and 18
    Weapons: Table 20

    Select Table 20, which is a table of weapons used in homicides. Table 20 can be downloaded to Excel, sum the columns (the last 2 rows are Guam & Virgin Islands, I did not include them) to get the total homicides for each type of weapon, and you will find:

    In 2014, there were 11,930 homicides, 248 (2%) of those were by rifles of all kinds (not just AR, but all rifles).

    You will also see that 659 (5.5%)people were killed by being kicked, punched, or choked to death.

    Not only are rifles the weapon least used in crime, but almost 3 times as many people were killed by "hands & feet" then by rifles of all kinds.

    Look at previous years, you will find the same result - rifles are the least used in homicide, and "hands & feet" kill many more than all rifles.


    If you want to ban AR's then you better ban hands & feet as well, because hands and feet are far more deadly than an AR.
     
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    Josh Sugarman runs the Violence Policy Center (VPC), which is a 1 person (sometimes it hires one staff person) operation almost totally funded by The Joyce Foundation. Sugarman openly wants to ban all handguns.

    The Joyce Foundation is a major "progressive" funding organization, and is "the man behind the curtain" of the gun ban movement. Joyce co-ordinates a network of gun ban groups, VPC is just one of their media front men. Joyce has been the major funder of the gun ban movement for 40 years, their web site used to say "the most aggressive group in the gun control movement" but they changed it just before obama entered the national stage.

    Joyce is headquartered in Chicago, obama was the director of the Joyce Foundation from 1994 to 2002.
     
  24. Galileo

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    And more people die from heart attacks than Islamic terrorism therefore Islamic terrorism can not possibly be a problem that needs to be addressed. Besides, you're conveniently excluding firearms in the unknown category.

    - - - Updated - - -

    I'm calling bull on both of these claims.
     
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    And you are excluding "unknown weapons" that are not firearms.

    You have to go with the data as presented, that's the rational approach. If you want to speculate, then assuming the "unknowns" follow the same pattern as the "knowns" is the first rational approach and the approach most often taken in studies.

    In either case, the data shows that the hysteria about AR's is due to propaganda and ignorance, not a concern over public safety.
     

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