Why are there jobs Americans won't do?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by AceFrehley, May 2, 2013.

  1. PrometheusBound

    PrometheusBound New Member

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    Sacrifice has no merit; it is nothing but brown-nosing. It is an insult to intelligence. Going to college, not earning a living until you are at least 22, is an unfunded mandate. That is more proof that Big Business acts just like Big Government. It is not an investment; investments are for those who have a surplus (Daddy's Money); no one should be asked to invest his need for having the income from a full-time job at age 18. Unpaid education is the biggest slavery of all time, because it is enslavement of what should be the most valuable human resources. Of course, this present system is a Four Year Plan, with the same dysfunctional outcome as State Capitalism's Five Year Plan. Slave education gets mostly Diploma Dumboes: no-talent class-climbers who are willing to sacrifice growing up and rich kids living off an allowance. The university was always designed for people with an independent income; the rest are worthless bootlickers with a slave morality.
     
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    The Heirheads of your precious plutocrats took over the government, pretended to be Liberals, and purposely made government inefficient to trick you into supporting their openly Right Wing fathers. When will you wake up? There is only one ruling class, and they are all in it together. Gubmint and Bidness are run by the same people.
     
  3. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    I dont think anyone doubted that for even a moment.
     
  4. AceFrehley

    AceFrehley New Member

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    Perhaps you're right. OK, let's do away with food stamps and unemployment altogether for these type of losers. Why give these losers a 3-month free ride?

    Thanks for setting me straight. Oh and by the way, the losers you speak of won't ever do much more than destroy their own neighborhoods. They're such losers, they even expect others to do their revolting for them.
     
  5. iJoeTime

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    Why is it 'Freedom Loving' right wingers are always the ones to suggest forced labor camps... Odd.
     
  6. AceFrehley

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    Good luck with that.
     
  7. Curmudgeon

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    Noticed that did you?
     
  8. AceFrehley

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    Who wants to force anyone into labor? I'm fine with people choosing to not work and simply starve to death.
     
  9. iJoeTime

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    Hmm interesting...

    I have to give credit to the RW noise machine. The fact that they've deceived their base into believing public assistance is America's biggest woe is quite an accomplishment. Takes the heat off America's absolutely shocking wealth disparity. Well played Sirs.
     
  10. JavisBeason

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    people who can't balance checkbooks have no room to complain about wealth disparity
     
  11. garyd

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    You know usually I can count on fraudster to have posted the single most inept, mind blowingly insane bit of drivel in any thread that he is involved in but that, goes so far beyond the usually paranoid delusional ranting that appears here that it deserves a category all it's own.

    1st just so you'll know, not that I expect you to believe it but we have something like 135 million people working in this country of that nearly 20 million work for state, federal, and local governments. About 7 million are federal employees. All most all of these are now unionionized.

    2nd The preisdent appoints something on the order 20 or 30 people to help him run this monster and they, in turn, hire or promote a few people from within their department to assist them. They have at most a limited impact on the day to day operation of these departments, because they all operate under a union contract that makes it all but impossible to fire anyone for much of anything short of mass murder. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that there ability to stere this gargantuan edifice is about equal to your chances of being able to run laps about the equator of the sun.
     
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    Yeah sure, whatever buddy. Good luck with the whole whatever it is you're trying to do. Yeah.......
     
  13. Rexxon

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    Well, I sure hope you are right, but in my opinion, I do not think you are.

    History is about to repeat itself, with tragic consequences.
     
  14. AceFrehley

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    Yep, I stand behind that post. If someone wants to continue to receive money, they should have to work for it. You have a problem with that?
     
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    If you lose your Job will you deny unemployment on principle? Or let me guess.. You wouldn't because only godless lib losers ever get laid off..
     
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    There aren't jobs that "Americans won't do". That is a lie. The problem is that there is a system in place that benefits the elite corporate class and thus it is allowed to continue. That system is the one in which illegal immigrants come to the US and are denied citizenship, the right to work, and the responsibility to pay taxes. Of course, they are eligible for government handouts and are able to find gainful employment for pay that falls far below what would be acceptable pay for anyone that does not have to work under such circumstances. This is where the misinformation comes from. These aren't jobs Americans won't do. They are jobs the employers are able to substitute illegal labor with, decreasing their costs and increasing their profits.

    It's similar to the corporate elite moving jobs to foreign countries because they don't have to adhere to expensive labor safety standards and positioning it in the media as a cost advantage based on wage differences. Surely a few dollars an hour has a bit of an impact, but not so much when it is combined with much higher distribution costs. The savings is in the safety regulations. Import Tariffs on goods made in foreign factories that don't meet minimum domestic safety standards would go a long way towards increasing the demand for domestic labor and would help to grow the domestic economy.

    There is no shortage of labor in the US. That is simply untrue. There is a shortage of honest, rational decision making at the government and big business level. That is the greatest challenge to our domestic economy.
     
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    The extremely wealthy don't work for their money, they use their comparative wealth advantage to dominate markets and steal the produce from others. Why is it ok for the extremely wealthy to live off the produce of others but not the poor?
     
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    Not even close. The government might be broke, but there is so much cash floating around that we can afford to make even the riskiest investments and not bat an eye when they fail.
     
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    I was laid off and had to take odd jobs for over a year.... got another job 18 months later. Not once did I get unemployment. WHY? Because I prepared for the worst case scenario when things were going good. I killed my savings while in 'survival mode' but I didn't need welfare or handouts.


    So while layoffs can and do happen, sometimes at a moment's notice..... and that can't be helped.... what can be helped is preparation, or lack of. It's not up to me to support you just because you failed to prepare. You didn't have to support me when I was out of permanent work.
     
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    You do realize that unemployment insurance is paid for by the workers and the employers and is not a government handout, right? It's foolish for one that qualifies for unemployment benefits to refuse to accept them over some irrationality over perceived ideological contradictions.
     
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    And if the government didn't require your employer to sped 50% of your compensation as it sees fit rather than as you see fit preparation would be much easier.
     
  22. homerjay_s

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    If the government didn't require a good number of things that it requires of small to medium sized businesses, there would be tremendous economic growth in the US. Alas, the big business interests that control the government don't really want that. They are, after all, monopoly capitalists.
     
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    You seem very unaware that the MAJORITY of people on public aid HAVE JOBS. Fill yourself in on the facts maybe?
     
  24. garyd

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    You do realize that your unemployment insurance is paid for by your employer. The only way you pay anything to it is by being paid less than you might otherwise be paid. But that's true of all these government mandates as well.
     
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    Several grueling jobs in agriculture generally require migrant labor because of the low pay.

    Even with better pay, the strenuous nature of the work is something most Americans aren't accustomed to, so most would still refuse it.

    I don't think getting rid of welfare would change this -- not in the short run, anyway.
     

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