Why aren't feminists complaining that there aren't enough female garbage collectors

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  1. ryobi

    ryobi Well-Known Member

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    Ooops….lol
     
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    Very True Polydectes.

    Here are a few examples:

    Some of the most incredible inventions were created and/or discovered by men with little to no formal education whatsoever.

    Examples:

    Thomas Edison (you know that whole light bulb thing) had 3 months of elementary school education

    Michael Faraday ( you know the whole electric motor thing, like wind turbines, steam turbines, hydro-electric turbines the alternator in your car) had no formal scientific education.

    The Wright brothers invented the first airplane competing against teams with PhD's and grants and they had no formal scientific or engineering education
     
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  3. Renee

    Renee Well-Known Member

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    I remember meeting my husband at his office. He was waiting for me on the stairs and he saw construction workers hassling me. He said that he’s walked past those guys every single day and never even gave it a moment’s thought but he watched me and my entire body language changed. He became very aware
     
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    Renee Well-Known Member

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    So you’re saying then that men are just intellectually superior and it had nothing to do with gender roles. I guess it’s just a coincidence that women are making more scientific discoveries since women have become educated. And I guess you can also use that to show the superiority of white males.
     
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    I'm contesting your contention that you need an education to make major contributions to STEM and the reason women have not contributed as much to STEM as others is because women were denied access to a formal education.

    Take Srinivasa Ramanujan Though he had almost no formal training in pure mathematics, he made substantial contributions to mathematical analysis, number theory, infinite series, and continued fractions, including solutions to mathematical problems considered to be unsolvable.

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    During his short life, Ramanujan independently compiled nearly 3,900 results (mostly identities and equations). Many were completely novel; his original and highly unconventional results, such as the Ramanujan prime, the Ramanujan theta function, partition formulae and mock theta functions, have opened entire new areas of work and inspired a vast amount of further research
     
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    The standard deviation of men's intelligence is greater than the standard deviation of women's intelligence
     
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    doombug Well-Known Member

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    Women do not want equality. They only want to pick and choose the jobs they want.
     
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    Guess women were just too dumb. You might google women scientists and inventors. They didn’t have the access men had. There is no sense arguing with you when you believe women weren’t just smart enough.too bad you don’t understand the difference between nature vs nurture
     
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    Yep....so do most people! Maybe you were assigned to a job that you hated but most people can pick and choose the jobs they want. Less than 50 years ago women couldn’t
     
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    Hahaha! But women are not choosing jobs that pay well yet they whine about the pay.....sad.
     
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    Women aren’t choosing jobs that pay well? Medical schools and law schools are more than half female. Women are in the stock market and are accountants etc. The reason jobs that were predominantly female paid less was because they could get away with it because women didn’t have the options. A wonderful example is nursing. It was a low-paying job because women chose it but now they say women are becoming doctors so what are they doing? Paying nurses a lot more in salary. A nurse practitioner makes about $150,000
     
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    Some of the pay gap can be explained by what the genders tend to choose to study at university. For example, men are much more likely to study STEM (science technology engineering and math). For instance, in a paper by Andresse St. Rose titled “STEM Major Choice and the Gender Pay Gap” she found in 2007 women earned 17 percent of Bachelors degrees in engineering, compared to earning 79 percent of Bachelors degrees in education. In 2006 women earned only 20 percent of Bachelor degrees in physics, computer science, and engineering.[2] In a 2007 paper by Dey and Hill titled Behind the Gender Pay Gap they found STEM degrees tend to have higher salaries than their peers with degrees in other disciplines. For example, one year after graduation, an education major working full time earned, on average, about 60 percent as much as an engineering major working full time ($525 versus $851 per week)[3] Despite earning most of the degrees in post-secondary education women are choosing not to major in subjects that result in them being qualified for the lucrative careers men are more likely to be qualified for when they graduate, and according to Liberals this is men’s fault? If liberals believe in equality then shouldn’t they believe women should be equally accountable for the consequences of their actions and choices as men? Blaming men for the consequences of your actions and choices is not accountability.

    For decades, liberals have claimed that discrimination blocks women from landing academic positions in STEM fields. However a paper published online by the National Academy of Sciences by Wendy M Williams and Stephen J. Cecil titled National Hiring experiments Reveal 2:1 Faculty Preference For Women on STEM Tenure Track found that in experiments with professors from 371 colleges and universities across the United States that science and engineering faculty actually preferred women two-to-one over identically qualified male candidates for assistant professor positions. [4]

    If you’re preferred 2:1, you’re not being discriminated against. Some people might even suggest a 1:1 preference of identically qualified candidates would be equality and a 2:1 preference for women over identically qualified male candidates is actually an indication of discrimination against men, not women.
     
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    It's not discrimination.

    It's supply and demand.

    Many people can leisurely walk a mile in under an hour.

    Very few people can run a mile in under 4 minutes.

    Many people can succeed in elementary education courses.

    Very few can succeed in STEM courses.

    As leisurely walking a mile is less grueling than running a mile in under 4 minutes as is getting a degree in elementary education compared to getting a degree in STEM.
     
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    Women were discouraged from STEM...Now they’re not and more women are entering science, medicine, engineering,etc so many more.
     
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    You bring up an interesting point here when men started moving into nursing they started making a lot of money. but there are also a lot more requirements to become a nurse from what I understand you have to have a bachelor's degree I don't know that that was always the case. Nurses seem to take on a lot more of the medical responsibilities then that used to bring up the doctors to do the work that requires a doctor.

    Being a nurse isn't the same as it used to be. Perhaps that is a reason men get paid like they do.

    Perhaps as women started becoming doctors fewer of them became nurses. And inorder to get men to do it you need to pay them more.
     
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    You left out a whole lot of stats there as always. Try again.
     
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    She really does not support any of her ideas with evidence, just personal anecdotes, but no hard data.
     
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    Hard data? That sounds dirty.
     
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    What stats do you disagree with?
     
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    Come now boys...you’re bullying again
     
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    That’s my point...when men get into the profession, they get paid more.
     
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    I don't get why you're making that point what is your position?
     
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    Which stats did you provide? None.
     
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    Shame shame. She says = fact.

    ;)
     
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    Women.. they control half the money and all the sex.. what else do they want?
    Take a listen to Dr Jordan Peterson's presentation on how bending the rules to make sure women in Sweden had every option to do whatever work and career they chose, and yet ended up doing jobs in which women typically dominated. Women and men are different.. If I walked in with my child and saw his kindergarten teacher looked like a construction worker (or Ryobi LOL), I'd turn right around and enroll him where the teacher was a dainty nurturing female that went by Miss.
     

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