Why can't science = religion?

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  1. philxx

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    Careful with that logical thinking around here ,say the most obvious things like everything is and isn't at the same time is well revolutionary thinking .

    do they still teach maths in US schools ,not a small thing '0',its infinite in fact with all values existing in relationship to '0'crickey.
     
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    I realize this is a difficult thing to grapple with.......

    What if Hitler was a great angel, realizing the terrible sacrifice of becoming the most foul existence of the human form in order for the expression of humanity as a whole to awaken to their own conscience......

    What if?
     
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    Dealing with "what if's" isn't dealing with the reality of keeping positive and negative in their proper perspective. Lucifer "was" a great angel, until he "chose" the negative. He's not allowed to see the futility of that choice. If negative "could" destroy positive, there would be nothing. Positive creates, negative destroys. Positive created negative, not to destroy positive, but for free will. " A house divided against itself can not stand."-Jesus
     
  4. philxx

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    do they still teach math in the US ,or is it concidered satans work .

    Please don't tell them that 0 is a pure number ,

    and if we start them on the existance of imaginary numbers they will just start blowing fuses .

    http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&r...o-TTBA&usg=AFQjCNGttyGd5R1QoxyWa21-6ibOwHWGqA

    i don't think the God thunkun mind can get zero.

    0 is and isnt a number at the same time.every number is zero and finite at the same time .

    whatever you do don't get them to divide or multiply anything by Zero ,1x0=0

    123 456 789 123 456 789 x 0 =0

    Every number in the infinite number series x 0 =0

    0 expresses infinity so nothing can be everything .
     
  5. revol

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    What you are describing here is the division!
    There is a capacity beyond this line of thought where we are able to envision the collective body of expression as a whole.

    I think you have misunderstood the inspiration by cross referencing it with archaic beliefs that preexisted the presence of Jesus from which you are quoting.
     
  6. philxx

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    please try and elevate your thinking above self thinking and putting moral values on the nature of electrons .see what is concidered positive for one person can be negative for another .we hope you are not putting moral values of good and bad on natural phenomena.

    Please tell me you are not lost in the Good and bad Force .Luke its the force Luke ,I am your father Luke .

    The universe is nothing like it is presented in star wars.

    negative charged particles are not evil or good ,neither are positve charged particles ,please tell me you agree?

    or were positive particles created by god ,and negative by the devil ,please tell me you are not saying that ,please .
     
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    I already told you, positive creates all that is. Positive created negative.
     
  8. philxx

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    Oh really you told us ,and who are you?

    To tell anyone anything .Positive didn't create anything because unless negative exists then positive dosen't know what it is or isn't ,see its simple everything exists at the same time with its opposite .negative \positive together never separate.

    energy\mass ,life\death see what i mean as soon as you mention positive then negative comes to mind in oder to know positive and what it isn't.

    life is defined by death and visa versa ,yes you are literally dying as you live.

    no one just lives and no-one just dies.

    Its a process containing both at any point in the continum.

    Crickey even god exists through its opposite.

    everything is relative.and nothing is relative at the same time this relativity is the mode of existance of the universe.

    now if you can demonstrat something that exists without its corresponding opposite then you can TELL us something until then shut up ,and stop spewing ignorant twaddle.

    Positive existing without negative ,Indeed go back to school or all will be revealed when you go to big kids school .

    is a electron which is a negative charged particle ,EVIL wheras the anti-perticle the positron which is positively charged ,Good?

    hey anti is good and existing bad,gee the nature of the real universe has just exploded your argument.
     
  9. philxx

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    this may help youhttp://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=direction%20of%20spin%20of%20matter&source=web&cd=2&sqi=2&ved=0CCoQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.physicsforidiots.com%2Fparticlesandforces.html&ei=mIFeT9SAFaSfiAfphPzfBw&usg=AFQjCNETdLn9vb0ds3dClSvSRONNfofftA
     
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    At best, it's debateable whether zero can be considered 'not a number'. For pretty much all practical purposes, zero is a number. And practical purposes are what count.

    And what's this about "every number is zero"? How do you figure that?
     
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    without all numbers being in relationship to number zero then you wouldn't now their value relative to all other numbers in magnitude.

    eg from zero to infinity ,not from 1 to infinity because there is a infinite number of values between 0 and 1,

    if you have 55 eggs for instance you count those eggs from zero eggs ,eg 1 egg is not a zero egg 0 is assumed as the starting point of the count and backwards you use the eggs until zero eggs remain.

    so you start from zero and end up as zero and in the process everything is related to zero in how many eggs you have ,so without zero you can't work out how many eggs you have its the number to which all other numbers find their finite value.

    its that nothing being something again ,just keeps on expressing itself again again .

    sorry about the simplistic explaination do you get my drift?

    nothing exists without reference to something as something can't exist without reference to nothing.8x0 =0 8divided by 0 =8 zero is in a constant relationship with every other value.

    its a pure number.
     
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    positive created nothing ,otherwise negative created positive ??????????????

    positive and negative exist together one is not better then the other in fact they are each other.one can't exist as itself .In reality they exist as a unity of opposites .

    eg,a magnet has 2 poles ,get a magnet and cut it in exactly half and guess what both pieces have a north pole and a south pole.no matter how many times you divide the magnet.

    a north pole can't exist without a south pole ,as positive can't exist without negative ,night without day ,life without death ect ect ect ect........
     
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    it is a interesting idea that anti-mater and mater added together cancel each other out, so something could really be created from nothing
     
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    yeah heaps of something called energy or the transformation of mass to energy ,little highly charged particles flying off every direction ,whyen Matter and anti-matter meet it dosen't just disappear.the energy released is in direct ratio to the ammount or mass of the matters involved.

    einstein developed a famous equation to demonstrate,E=MC [squared]

    e= energy

    m=Mass

    C [squared ]speed of light squared or acceleration of light.wonderful thing science we can calculate what will happen before it does and it fits.energy and matter can't be destroyed just transformed from one to the other.in reality all matter is ,is a form of energy.

    lets see a good word to describe matter would be the forms of energy at lower levels of excitation ,blobs of energy ,nodules of energy ,clumps of contained energy ,potential energy in kenetic form ,see if you can come up with some descriptions .
     
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    ABS(1) = 1
    ABS(-1) = 1
    1 = 1

    As for zero:

    ABS(0) = 0
    ABS(-0) = 0
    0 = 0

    In other word:

    ABS(n) = positive value of n

    When n = 0
    n = 1
    n is an element of {-(infinity)..(infinity)}
     
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    At the emphasized text: Likewise, it is true that there are an infinite number of values existing between any two sets of values. The symbol "0" is also a representation of 'infinity' when it is expressed without any designated starting point and or finishing point. Much like a computer caught in an endless loop, the symbol "0" is a perfect representation of that computer moving into infinity in its execution of a non-executable command (division by zero).

    Use your system calculator, and you will find that the system calculator cannot divide 8 by 0.
     
  18. philxx

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    n= something and nothing at the same time.

    something and nothing hand in hand for ever,each expressed in its other.indivisable is 0.

    such a pure number,always real and unreal.

    Cool how it all works ,hey.

    is zero where god lives ? or is god -0.

    sorry -0 dosent exist.

    Luckily 0 is always a even number otherwise we would be in real trouble with imaginary numbers which are real.
     
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    dark energy and energy cancel each other out too, in the beginning and the end, is there nothing?
     
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    In the following example an anihilation of a positron and an electron produces two photons. It's always "something + something = something".

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    http://youtu.be/mabt7GI1FuI
     
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    don't you mean something and its opposite something annilate into nothing which then becomes something different?

    so something - and something +=Nothing =something completely different with sht loads of energy realeased ,Matter becoming energy forming Matter at a new energy.

    eg a electron isn't a photon nor a neutrino where did the Positron and electron go they don't exist anymore.
     
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    The example is from a beta-decay of an atomic nucleus.

    http://youtu.be/JAD_xixyLLw
     
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    Instead of them 2 photons started to exist. I don't think anyone in our world has a good idea why this happens.

    http://youtu.be/VZFxMz6ne0M
     
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    something about the Sht load of energy realeased as M=E/c squared.

    drop the constant and you are left with M=E.

    notice still no need for the god stuff,Energy and mass are the same thing .,,all the mass in the universe is energy ,energy is energy and not energy at the same time the motion around us is just that the motion of massto energy and energy to mass.

    i think thats why nothing is at a state of rest why because everything is energyin different forms .photons have no mass but still have the properties of mass as all energy does.

    seems like a dialectical relationship between all things ,Hegel would be proud.

    marx is proven correct the Universe is dialectical by its Nature.

    The self movement of Matter ,no god needed to start that self movement.

    has been will always be ,and just to underline the essential nature of our universe being dialectical ,The Wave Particle Duality of all matter\energy in the Universe.
     

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