Why did National Socialist Germany hate Jews?

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  1. mikemikev

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    Was it irrational? Were Jews associated with undesirable activities?
     
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    If you want to defend an insane economic system no-one believes in, you look for people to get the mugs to hate, so that they don't threaten your masters. Clever Jews did well out of capitalism, as did clever gentiles, so they murdered the Jews, and the descendants of the gentiles are still there.
     
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    Another antisemitism thread from Mike. Go figure.
     
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    Payment for services rendered

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    Germany really wasn't alone in their hatred....they just took it to a horrible extreme.
     
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    funny how someone who loves to whine and (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) about supposed false accusations of anti-Semitism, creates a thread like this which seeks to explain, justify, excuse, and condone Nazi hatred of Jews.

    the irony is breathtaking.
     
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    I think it was an underlying societal problem in Germany,and had been for a long time.
     
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    Jews have been used as a scapegoat for a long time. Much like the Roma, they are despised because they are different. It is easy to isolate a small group to use as political propaganda to gain power. Much of Europe has roots in superstition and this just played into their irrational fears. When it was going strong in Germany many Germans just looked away because it wasn't happening to them. The rest that bought into it were no different than any conspiracy fans.

    Germany also advertised euthanizing the mentally ill to make room for more Germans. Life becomes cheap to most authoritarian regimes goals.
     
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    Scapegoatism; the act or practice of assigning blame or failure to another, as to deflect attention or responsibility away from oneself. Also called scapegoating.
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/scapegoatism

    Aren't today often muslims (or islam) the scapegoats? The hated (or have become hated by propaganda or false pretention) The propaganda in NS Germany caused hate (hate will cause organisation)
    Btw, the opposite effect can lead to unification.
    The German population was woken up by blaming one group for the bad economy and all kinds of other problems in society. That awakening caused the antagonistic attitude, so the hate (so motion and emotions in the masses)
     
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    There are those that fear Muslims in general but there are also those that understand that Radical Islam is to blame and Radical Islam is scapegoating. Then there are those that are so defensive that even blaming Radical Islam for their atrocities is seen as irrational.
     
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    Interesting responses. Some say the Jews were a 'scapegoat'. This of course implies they were entirely innocent. What were they accused of?
     
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    Being successful.
     
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    How serious are you about this discussion?
     
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    Extremely serious. To state the Jews were a scapegoat one must know what they were a scapegoat for. That's why I'm asking.
     
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    Again, because they were successful.
     
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    The modern era of antisemitism started in the 1860s and 70s. The Jews who had traditionally been very insular began to integrate more into German society. The Jews perceived as being more successful at the expense of others. Rather than take personal responsibility for your own life choices some began to agitate that the Jews somehow had a secret advantage.

    Jumping forward to the end of the first war, many believed the sudden collapse of the Germany military was caused by Jewish influence - "The Stab In The Back" as it was called. This lead to a lot of anti Jewish writing that Hitler and others absorbed like a sponge.

    An interesting side note is the knowledge that Germans thought the French Jews were behind most of their ills before the Nazi came along. They re-branded the hatred and directed it against the Jewish-communist conspiracy who's express desire was to destroy Germany.

    I would recommend, The Coming of the third Reich As a very good text about where the anti Jew policy of the Nazis came from.

    http://www.amazon.com/Coming-Third-Reich-Richard-Evans/dp/0143034693
     
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    Jews have been kicked out so many countries/ cities over time its not funny. Every city, town, country over thousands of years just paranoid? I dont know, usually where theres smoke theres fire, but doesnt mean the majority are to blame.

    As for Germany many blamed Jews for bringing the US into the war (WW1) which resulted in the crippling treaty of Versailles. Many believed payment for those services (see below) were made via the Balfour agreement, to Lord Rothschild mere months after the US entered the war.

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    Then they faced Bolshevik lead revolution which even Churchill said was mainly international atheist Jews. Many Jews themselves took ownership of movement, Hilter and many others were no different in that thought.
     
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    Yes and no. It was such a problem but that was pretty much the situation over the whole world. Hitler got most of his "knowledge" about Jews from anti-Semitic pamphleteers in Vienna. He needed a group for scapegoating so as to advance his politics. If no Jews had existed he would probably have targeted the Roma or the homosexuals, as he later did anyway.


    At least in Germany it was the "stab in the back". In WWI Germany had just started using new tactics (the "Storm Troopers", small squads the crawled through No Man's land and dropped into the Trenches before anyone knew an attack was on. Rolling artillery, where they attacked just behind their own barrages, etc ) and they appeared to be working. At the same time Germany was seriously starving due to the effective British blockade and then America entered the war. The Kaiser had no real choice but many German soldiers never adequately understood why they had surrendered when in the midst of what were some of their greatest victories. They did note that the transport and sale of most of their supplies were run by Jews, and putting 2 and 2 together, came up with 7.


    And different. Hitler hated Roma and homosexuals too. He probably would have included artists as well, but he saw their value for propaganda
     
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    Were Jews overrepresented among Bolshevik mass murderers?
     
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    they certainly weren't over-represented in membership of the Bolshevik party.

    as to what percent of the NKVD personnel were Jews? there is no data.

    and btw, Communist atheist Jews are not really Jews...but Apostate Jews.
     
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    Taken from a Jewish news source article,



     
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    they abandoned their faith.

    they abandoned their people.

    by what definition were they still Jews?

    as far as I am concerned, Bolsheviks and Communists are all one people. That's how they see themselves.

    United by hatred for the rich, nationalism, and ethnic/religious divisions.



    ..only a racist bigot seeks to distinguish "Jewish" Bolsheviks from Russian, Lithuanian, Chinese, Cuban ones.
     
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    You're being dishonest, Jews recognize non practicing Jews as Jews still

    The Israeli Jew that wrote the report and the Jewish historian that recognized them as Jews are racist bigots in your opinion, got it.

    and of course Winston Churchill -

     
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    I wasn't there so I can't be sure about anything. All I can do is read the alternative press and see what it says I suppose. Here's some stuff I've found.

    http://waronyou.com/forums/index.php?topic=500.0
    http://northerntruthseeker.blogspot.se/2012/03/more-important-history-revealed-how.html
    http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html
    http://guardian.150m.com/jews/jews-declare-war.htm

    I have to admit that it makes sense.

    Mark Weber and David Irving have videos on the subject.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDu3QUveAcI
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBiV3YivHW4
     

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