Why didn't God...

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  1. Vicariously I

    Vicariously I Well-Known Member

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    ...jam the guns of the Connecticut school shooter the moment it was pointed at a child?

    This is a horrible tragedy and I can't imagine how any words of comfort could possibly quell the pain the parents of these kids must feel.

    This question I ask comes from the anger I feel towards what happened as the parent of two kids ages five and eight.

    I can accept the idea that the shooter had a neurological disorder or that he was simply and evil piece of (*)(*)(*)(*) because regardless of who or what he is the pain and anger would not be any less but I cannot accept the idea of a loving all power God who says "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these." who then sits back while this man murders eighteen of them in cold blood.

    Is the reason honestly because God will not interfere with free will? Is this one mans eternal life more important than the lives of these kids or their parents?

    Someone please explain the morality of this from Gods perspective because I don’t get it and can’t possibly see how I would want to live in that world.

    Either way there was nothing any us could do to prevent this but how can it give people comfort to know that there was someone who could have very easily and chose not to.
     
  2. Incorporeal

    Incorporeal Well-Known Member

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    Instead of asking others to speculate on that opening question, why don't you ask God? He seems to be the one you are wanting to blame, so take it up with Him.
     
  3. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Well, God wins football games but isn't able to break a firing pin.
     
  4. Prof_Sarcastic

    Prof_Sarcastic New Member

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    There's no need to go scoring internet points off this event guys.
     
  5. liberalminority

    liberalminority Well-Known Member

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    Many spiritual leaders have commented on this incident already, and their official response to this is, "we don't know".
     
  6. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    maybe the deistic founders of this country had it right?


    http://www.tfd.com/deists

    de·ism (dzm, d-)
    n.
    The belief, based solely on reason, in a God who created the universe and then abandoned it, assuming no control over life, exerting no influence on natural phenomena, and giving no supernatural revelation.

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  7. Incorporeal

    Incorporeal Well-Known Member

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    Then again, maybe they had it all wrong.

     
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    Gods kingdom is not of this world. But the bible says there will be war and evil.
    Why do the single cell organism believers that created 8.7 million different species all without any intelligence whats so ever not know the theories of God.Bible.
     
  9. Incorporeal

    Incorporeal Well-Known Member

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    What is a 'single cell organism believer'?
     
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    evolutionist. Thats there first stage.
     
  11. Incorporeal

    Incorporeal Well-Known Member

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    With that information available, I would have to advise you to ask one of them, as I have no clue as to why?
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    then were back to asking why did this God not intervene if he could...

    I was just giving one possible explanation
     
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    Im more interested to know 'if' theres no god as we're told and with evolution we're just animals, whos to judge the animals natural instincts? Does it not slow down evolution to mess the survival of the fittest 'natural selection' theory? Who sets the moral codes for animals, god?
     
  14. Vicariously I

    Vicariously I Well-Known Member

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    It pisses me off to hear someone suggest that my anger towards this tragedy isn't genuine. Scoring internet points? Is that why you're here?

    This isn't some event, its the world in which we exist. This conversation for me has never been a game and I will not be swayed in my conviction for the sake of those who would hide behind the lives of these children.

    If there is a God who could have prevented this tragedy but chose not to, he can kiss my ass.
     
  15. Incorporeal

    Incorporeal Well-Known Member

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    And again, we are back at that point where you are obviously wanting to place the blame on God. So why solicit a reason from those that are not God. If you want to know the reason(s) that God had/has, then make your petition to the one that is the primary subject..... God... CAUTION: Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.
     
  16. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    There are millions of ways to spin this event but I like this one best.

    We've all seen cases in which people we may not like have experienced severe and devastating misfortunes. Sometimes we blame their misfortunes on their lack of character or on their "gutter" morality. So we feel superior to them and like Pat Robertson claim that they made a pact with the devil centuries ago.

    I'm sure that some of the people involved in today's slaughter have voiced such comments about other people. They didn't show compassion for their fellow man (whom they hated). So today they get to experience first hand what such a grievous loss of young precious lives feel like when they are snatched from their arms by an angel (or demon) of death.

    People should never assume that they will escape such tragedies. According to the book of Job God and Satan had a bet over Job's soul. Job's children were ignorant of the bet but they paid with their lives so that God and Satan would see if Job would remain faithful to God. For those who believe in the Bible maybe God and Satan are making some big bets in heaven's casino and they might bet on some of us next.

    Another way to look at it is that the dead kids were so innocent and pure that wanted them now before they became corrupted and soiled by the sins of the world.

    Maybe such events will continue to happen until we all reach the point where we cry whenever anyone's life ends in violence. Some people made fun of Trayvon Martin getting shot by Zimmerman. They forgot that Trayvon was someone's child and that his parents loved him. Maybe some of the people who lost children today felt that way.

    And in China a guy attacked 22 elementary school kids with a knife today. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-attacks-22-kids-knife-china-school-article-1.1220230

    Why should anyone expect God to be merciful to them when they aren't merciful to their fellow man?
     
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    For the same reason that bigfoot didn't either, even though we all know that bigfoot is very very compassionate.
     
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    I tried this many times as a brainwashed Christian in my youth, and I got the same reply as when I asked Mithra, Thor, Zeus, and Allah....that is, NONE. If you think you're getting answers from a magical immoral invisible man in the sky somewhere then you are like Dawkins says, deluded: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKGtcVoBhBQ
     
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    They also don't know which of the 200,000 gods/prophets is the one true god (if any).
     
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    God has such warped insane PRIORITIES that he either doesn't deserve our worship, or doesn't exist...either way it's dumb to worship the either evil or non-existent dude.
     
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    We'll stop when people stop the Jihad, and causing thousands to die because the Pope disallows condoms (AIDS in Africa), and believing that fairy tales of barbaric 1st century goat-herders are real.
    You have no idea how fast religion is going to fall....none.
     
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    Maybe books (Quran and Bible) that approves of slavery, rape (in 10 verses in the Bible, and Mohammad was a rapist), approve of slaughtering innocent gay people, treat women as 1/2 a man...maybe THEY had it all wrong.
     
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    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Did you hear about the Clackamas Town Center mall shooting the other day in Oregon? http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Shooting-Clackamas-Town-Center-183077691.html

    The shooter's gun jammed so he was only able to shoot three people and himself. There were over 10,000 people in the mall at the time.
     
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    The magical Jesus, if he existed and he was moral and all-powerful, would have simply done something else to prevent the shooter from killing ANY INNOCENT PERSON. But he didn't because he's just a figment of people's imagination...just like the Ahmanrah, Wotan, Krishna, etc. that Christians are ATHEISTS about.
    If *I* had Jesus' supposed powers, I'd clearly have prevented, well, AT LEAST the 20th kid from being shot, because I'm far more moral than the slavery-accepting Jesus. Jesus, that sick SOB, just (allegedly, if he's all-powerful) sat there, sitting on his hands while this tragedy too place. Sick. Warped. SOB.
     
  25. Incorporeal

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    Is presumption the best that you can do? Be more original.
     

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