Why do lefties on this forum think at anyone has a RIGHT to come to the US

Clinton never espoused open-border immigration, of course. Many capitalists have supported open-border trade.

However, pretending otherwise and desperately trying to re-direct the focus onto folks who hold no political office doesn't succeed as a diversion from the so-called president crapping on the U S Constitution and American values.

 

Why do lefties on this forum think that anyone has a RIGHT to come to the US?

That's a question as legitimate as

Why do righties on this forum think that no one has a RIGHT to come to the US?

Neither concerns actual people, unless anyone can be named who espouses such extremist views, and their being on the record in that regard documented.

 

I'm not satisfied, Kode. Why don't YOU answer his question rather than being deliberately obtuse. Here is another question for the Progs. Why are all the far left positions knee-jerk oppositional and obstructionist? If you have any thought at all that is better, why not present it in a helpful way that will contribute to the overall success of our country?


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Of course she did. And since you cannot refute evidence, now you must lie about it.

Lol. Wow. Now you want to call free trade a new name to try and legitimatize open-border immigration. The deception is duly noted.

Leftists have been trained well in the deception of the Dark Side. Always redirecting, distracting and deflecting, while accusing others of their very behavior.

They kneel before Darth Soros, and obey his commands.

 

They do

They do!!!!!

 

Because it is meaningless and clueless question

When I see statements such as this I do not want to come to the USA - even as a tourist

Now tell me - how much money do you make from tourism each year?

 

Tantrums....lol. The lefts tantrum in the form of rioting, assaulting, etc is about the worst we have seen in my life time. Nothing Trump is doing is outside of the law.

 

The question you need to be asking is, how much money does Europe make from Tourism every year? Because they're the ones who are losing money and who will continue to lose money because of unsafe and foolish policies.

Europe's Tourism Tumbles Amid Terror Attacks, Refugee Crisis

Migrant rape fears spread across Europe: Women told not to go out at night alone after assaults carried out in Sweden, Finland, Germany, Austria and Switzerland amid warnings gangs are co-ordinating attacks

Germany on edge as migrant tensions rise

 

1965 Immigration Reform Act says otherwise.

 

Irrelevant since they could have come over 20 years ago or even less.

Unless we know your ethnic background that statement holds no water.

 

Again, thats only your purposefully wrong interpretation. It is objectively legal.

 

Sounds like you felt your way through that post...

 

Do you have the refugee problem Europe has? No?

We are not talking about Europe - we are talking about American tourism - and as a foreigner I would not come to your country at present on principle - and I am not alone

 

And that sounds like a poor attempt at a response.

 

these people had already got permission to be here, I think we need to go after the employers hiring illegals, we saw that when the economy crashed after Bush, less Mexicans came here and many went back

 

The answer to the original post is actually pretty simple, but at the root level only.

Those who think we should leave our borders open to all comers don't understand the real value of living in the US. They see the value here in the form of a hand out both literally and metaphorically, and they think that everyone has equal rights so therefore everyone should be able to get a piece of the American pie. What they don't realize, because they don't want it to be this way, is that if you want to reap the benefits of anything, "you" have to put some skin in the game i.e. work for it.

The people who think our borders should be open are the same people who thought "this family has a nice house, I should have a nice house too" ........... they don't equate rewards as coming from hard work ....... they just want them ....... and to show how gracious they are, they want everyone to have the same rewards.

 

If you're drowning in debt, can't feed your own children, and don't have a job, would you (and should you) invite others to come live in your house? I hope not. The same goes for the U.S. First of all, we need to stop with this "America was formed by immigrants so we must continue that tradition". Beautiful sentiment, but wholly impossible. There are LIMITS to everything! We do not have an endless supply of resources, so how can we allow an endless stream of others to come here? Just because we did it before does not in and of itself suggest that we continue to do it.

For every friend on facebook whining about not letting immigrants in, for every celebrity spouting tearful rhetoric about how they came from immigrants, I ask: how many of them have allowed refugees to live with them? If you want to allow them in the country, then YOU support them! And YOU take responsibility as to whether or not they will become honorable citizens or violent terrorists. I don't see a single, not one, person bringing refugees into their homes and are willing to support them indefinitely and vouch for the country's safety and security by allowing them in their house.

And, REALLY?? We are ALLLLL from immigrants! ALL of us, unless you are of direct Native American descent. So your daddy's struggles to make a life in this country are no more valuable than mine.

 

Still happening. Last I saw the numbers, more people are immigrating (legally or otherwise) to Mexico from the US than the other way around.



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Good points! And back in the day when this country was in essence unpopulated, virtually anyone not of native Indian descent would be considered an immigrant. Being an immigrant back then really means absolutely nothing now. The Facebook posters and the celebrities place no value on the country they live in, they just see the country as a means of gain for them. And quite frankly, take a good look at the lifestyle of most celebrities, they are deviants who tend to believe that we care what they think because we love their music or movies.

 

And you believe that?

 

Really? The simple FACT is that an American Citizen is more likely to have been killed by a train in this country than by a terrorist - and you think that liberals act from emotion? Conservatives do not not have roses growing from their butts on this score.

 

Yup, liberals act on emotion it makes them feel good about themselves, and the left is always on the look out for new voters because it now seems that many of their past voters are dwindling away. Sorry but there it is.

 

Perhaps the problem here is that you seem to be confusing some on the left feeling that it could be a Christian moral obligation to take in the refugees of violence as a "right" that refugees have.

This OP reads more like your personal bias towards others than a left wing demand of "rights". So that is the answer to your question. You are a confused person. Nothing more.

 

Don't worry, I understood perfectly what you were asking, but this is the usual "take literally, and point out mistakes" reply to expect when people don't like the question.
It's a simple question, I believe there are laws on asylum; I wonder if refugee is synonymous?

 

Apart from the fact that only the extreme left so utterly idiotic and actually live in Utopia demand it... and these extreme left are just as idiots as the extreme right, who would rather want to throw away anything that is not enough white in skin color as we all know... .

With this ban and the wall to Mexico, which is pointless in all aspects, is about something quite different ... if I as a foreigner from Europe the may explain:

The United States has a very good constitution, which is always called upon in all things and where everything from the left to the right justifies their views on at least.
Of course, immigration needs to be regulated and, of course, you have to protect yourself from terror, but then the measures have to be constitutional and also, useful.
But the last is something that is presupposed, and here the useful of the Ban and the planned Wall is not given... but that is another topic
The former is questionable, because the US Constitution not only strengthens the sacred holy right to an own gun, but also other things that are less appropriate to the right.