Why do "pro-lifers" constantly claim they wouldn't ban contraception...

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In addition a large number of people want to see the most reliable forms of birth control banned, i.e. hormonal birth control and IUDs.

 

Rick Santorum, who ran for President called contraception "dangerous".

Ted Cruz, who IS running for President, compared contraception to "abortifacients".

Again, these are men running for PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES....and receiving cheers and applause from hundreds, if not thousands of "pro-lifers".

 

It's easy to see with those politicians that they're not capable of separating their own religion from the power of the state. Such eagerness to use the power of the state to impose personal religious views on all citizens is a dangerous mindset.

 

But the main thing is....it proves the contention of "moderate" "pro-lifers" that "Few on the pro-life side want to ban contraception....it's just a few extremists".....to be FALSE.

Two leading candidates for President (one last year, one likely for 2016) and BOTH are attacking contraception, not just abortion. Plus all the bloggers who make it painfully clear time and time again, that they want women to ALWAYS be at risk for pregnancy every time they have sex, so that the sex isn't "free of consequences."

And why? Very simple...because many of them are men who want to control women or are even flat-out misogynistic. Or the women who are their enablers.

 

Yep I've noticed and I shall continue to present him with his own failings every time he does it.

 

I called women "sluts" partially because I was being judgmental at the time, and partially because (I will be honest here) I was trying to get an emotional reaction when I posted that comment. I apologized for making that comment, however.

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I don't agree with those "pro-lifers" who attack contraception. Why are you comparing me with extremist pro-lifers?

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Do you understand that I totally disagree with extremist pro-lifers who want to ban contraception?

 

They are receiving cheers and applause from hundreds, if not thousands, of idiots. I am a smart pro-lifer. I'm not like those people.

 

I agree with everything said above except that many of the "pro-choice" people mischaracterize government funding of contraception and religious opposition to it as calls for banning contraception. One can be against government funding of contraception because of their own personal religious objections but not opposed to other peoples freedom to choose to obtain them on their own.

 

There are certain dangers associated with contraception. Ever hear of the Dalcon Shield? Did you think that it is %100 safe? However, Santorum was referring to the dangers to society in a behavioral sense and on personal morality and ethics. That is the opinion of many and he is entitled to his opinion.

An abortifacient (Latin: that which will cause a miscarriage) is a substance that induces abortion. Ted Cruz did not in fact call "abortifacients" contraceptives but rather expressed his opinion that Obamacare would require employers to provide them along with contraceptive coverage. Whether or not he is right in his opinion, it is extremely misleading of you to say the least.

 

Isn't your government supposed to have separation of religion and state, so what makes you think its ok to stand against something that will help reduce unintended pregnancies and therefore abortions based on religious grounds for ALL people .. if that is the way you feel then by all means don't use contraception, don't even buy it, but don't try to enforce your religious beliefs onto others.

Remember once you pay your taxes the money is not longer yours, it is the governments and it is their job to use that money in a way that (should) be of the best benefit to ALL not just a select few with their own agenda.

 

No, there is no separation of religion and state in the Constitution. Only a first Amendment guaranteeing the right to free practice thereof and forbidding the government from establishing one. You should read it sometime!

I don't expect anti-religious people to understand basic legal concepts of freedom of religion. I can understand why bigots want to destroy the right to religious freedom.

 

I read what "Global Citizen" wrote and didn't see anything about banning birth control. He made the point that some people are trying to make sex equal to no consequences....but that it isn't working. We have more abortions, more babies out of wedlock, more single parents, more welfare families.....even though birth control is freely accessible and frankly .....its free.

So I think you are misunderstanding something.

 

What evidence can you show me? Just because the Catholic Church holds beliefs that birth control is against God...isn't evidence that they are trying to legislate it away. So...show me something.

 

The Catholic Church has always been a strong political force.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/01/the-men-behind-the-war-on_n_1069406.html

"We consider the two biggest opponents on the other side the Catholic bishops and National Right to Life," said Donna Crane, policy director of NARAL Pro-Choice America. "They are extremely heavy-handed on this issue."

While the bishops have always been vocal on the issue of choice, they have emerged since the 2009 health care reform debate as one of the most powerful anti-abortion advocates on Capitol Hill.

Now, they are stepping up their attack on women's choice with a new, high-intensity campaign aimed at the latest front in the national anti-abortion battle: birth control. And the opposition is worried that they might have just enough sway over lawmakers to succeed.


http://www.population-security.org/swom-92-05.htm

This is the first major disclosure in a widely-read magazine of what the Vatican has been doing for years. The Vatican has intervened in American politics to determine U.S. policy with respect to sex, reproduction and other matters. In addition to “behind-the-scenes” work with the CIA and top administration officials, the Vatican has lobbied Congress through Mother Theresa and the Vatican-appointed bishops in this country.

 

I have a number of times.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

The point of such an amendment is twofold. First, it ensures that religious beliefs - private or organized - are removed from attempted government control. This is the reason why the government cannot tell either you or your church what to believe or to teach. Second, it ensures that the government does not get involved with enforcing, mandating, or promoting particular religious doctrines. This is what happens when the government "establishes" a church - and because doing so created so many problems in Europe, the authors of the Constitution wanted to try and prevent the same from happening.

Anti-religious lol, I really couldn't careless what your religious belief are so long as you don't try to make those beliefs law.

Your constitution defends your right to religious freedom .. what is also does is stop laws being made based on religious beliefs.

There are many court rulings that reinforce the separation of church and state;

Reynolds v. U.S., 98 U.S. 145 (1878 ) - http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=98&invol=145
Everson v. Board of Education, 330 U.S. 1 (1947) - http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=330&invol=1
Engel v. Vitale, 370 U.S. 421 (1962) - http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0370_0421_ZC.html
Epperson v. Arkansas, 393 U.S. 97 (1968 ) - http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=case&court=us&vol=393&page=97
Lemon v. Kurtzman, 403 U.S. 602 (1971) - https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/403/602/case.html
Elk Grove Unified School District v. Newdow, - http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-9th-circuit/1262890.html
Board of Education of Kiryas Joel Village School District v. Grumet (1994) - http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=512&invol=687

In 1797, the United States Senate ratified a treaty with Tripoli that stated in Article 11:

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries"

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bar1796t.asp

Article Six of the United States Constitution provides that "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States".

 

http://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu.../subtopics/the-catholic-church-in-us-politics

http://www.patheos.com/Resources/Additional-Resources/Catholic-Church-in-American-Politics.html

 

And liberals are telling religious people they are not allowed to believe that contraception and homosexuality is a sin and even are forcing them to finance these things through their tax dollars.

 

This is evidence? And....you consider abortion just another form of birth control?? So banning abortion is banning birth control?

The Vatican is working with the CIA??? God Lord...

 

WHERE IS THE BIRTH CONTROL LEGISLATION PUT FORTH BY CATHOLICS TO BAN BIRTH CONTROL. Where is it? I can say that protestants, and Catholics and Muslims and even perhaps a few Atheists that have figured out life doesn't suddenly happen when the head pops from the vagina----have put forth legislation to make abortion illegal.

Show me examples of legislation banning Birth Control.

 

As reported by Time magazine. The Catholic Church is a powerful lobby, don't minimize their influence. From the same link:

The New York Catholic Conference has an annual lobby day when all the bishops, and more than 2,000 Roman Catholics, descend on the legislature to ask for adoption of agreed-upon legislation. In a visit to one state I learned that children in RC parochial schools are taught how to lobby against abortion and birth control.

Almost all Protestant churches are silent about Catholic pressures on Congress and state legislatures. They have no comparable or effective lobby and speak with no unified voice. I have been told at the highest levels that there are ecumenical understandings that keep Protestant periodicals from publishing articles critical of other churches, the chief beneficiary of which is the RC hierarchy which works its will in Washington without public scrutiny except as some progressive RC writers refer to the actions of the hierarchy in the Catholic press. Rarely does a secular newspaper or magazine provide information such as Time printed in its Feb. 24 issue. The chief losers from this ecumenical secrecy are not only the general public but also progressive Roman Catholics who often do not know what the bishops do in their name.

 

Show me where Catholics have advocated banning birth control. I want to hear it from them. Right now you are quoting anti-Catholic quotes from anti-Catholic sources who are only spreading innuendos...not facts, not quotes or speeches or interviews from actual catholics. .

 

Time magazine is not anti-Catholic. You can do your own research.

 

I don't trust Time Magazine if it isn't credible. Apparently they can't quote a statement from a Catholic official or lobbiest that specifically outlines how Catholics plan to ban birth control. What evidence do YOU see in the article? Are you so trusting? Don't you have a higher standard?

I might add...that I did my research and I can't find any instance of the Cathelics working on legislation to ban birth control.

 

Please show me where you are being told you cannot believe that?
Please show me where laws are in place to stop you believing that?

You seem to be under the misconception that once you pay your taxes they still belong to you .. they don't.

 

While there may be no actual legislation banning birth control there are a number of examples of Catholic representatives trying to over turn legislation concerning birth control, here is just one.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16953621