Why doesn't your god help you?

So I'm very sorry for all the people who are suffering in Pakistan because of the floods.

But Pakistan is one of the most religious countries in the world, fundamentalist, even extreme. They pray all the time to their god, so why does their god abandon them in their hour of need? Why did their god allow the storms to happen?

Will they ask themselves that question? Probably not.

So they beg for aid from the countries they despise, and attack.

So why doesn't your god help you in your hour of need?

 

We are all God. God is all there is We are small slivers of universal consciousness cut off from the source. We are all on an eternal journey to reunite with that source, and in the process, experience everything that there is to experience. That is how god/creation has a sense of itself. Bad things are meant to happen, just as good things are. God is pure love, and the lack of love is an illusion that provides the contrast needed for creation to experience itself. Souls/higher selves come into this incarnation knowing what lessons they are trying to learn in this particular incarnation. Eventually, we will all play every role there is to play from saint to serial killer. Those suffering in some parts of the world are there for a reason. It could be that some souls have in their soul contract to provide aid to those in need. Meditation and deep reflection can help reveal what our purpose is here during this particular incarnation. In the end, we are all just one. The people suffering in Pakistan are just different aspects of ourselves.

Anyways, that's my take on the question. I didn't mention their particular faith, as all religions are just localized interpretations of some part of the truth of the universe that was revealed to them, and muddied through human traditions, ambitions, and whatnot. But there is still much truth to be found in most religions.

 

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Wrong god as in "no god".

 

See "Suffering"

 

Niiiiiice

 

I think so.

 

I think there needs to be a couple sentences that connect "god is pure love" and "god will damn you to hell if you don't get your religion right".

 

Who's to say He isn't helping?

If you are a non-believer, then you are like a pre-schooler attempting to understand calculus. You have to build up to it. Having faith in God is not what you think. More than finding a proof for His existence, it is a conclusion drawn when His existence is the only thing that makes any sense.

 

of course, I mean look what he did to all women cause Eve ate an apple

he doesn't go by the name "Jealous" for nothing... he is said to be a Jealous and Vengeful god

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+34:14&version=KJV
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Exodus 34:14 King James Version (KJV)
14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
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Maybe they pray to the wrong god?

Maybe there is something about that society that makes them not very good?

Maybe all societies actually deserve that? We have had many other threads dealing with the theological "problem of suffering".

Did you know that Christians can suffer all sorts of persecution in Pakistan?
one thread about that here: Asia Bibi in Pakistan

 

Well, you really need to think about how you plant to defend your last sentence.

 

The hell stuff is man made nonsense designed to allow the church to control their people.

 

A thought which has struck me of late is that everything that everyone does, they do with the concept (in their depths) of perfection and of being judged one day by God. Even those who love evil and don't care are aware of this concept which attends them in all their doings, that they will one day face an accounting. It seems to be baked into everyones soul. And I think that this is why so many people find Jesus Christs Gospel of repentance so engaging and resonating, because it goes to ones perfecting in preparation for judgment before God. It fits with what is already in us, and is common to mankind at the core.

 

I would agree with you if your point is that history shows that there have been Christian religious leaders who have threatened people with hell for behaviors that had nothing to do with God's direction.

But, hell came in VERY early. For that to have been made up would have required a VERY early corruption of the Bible - certainly before Constantine.

Let's remember that Matthew records Jesus as saying to his followers, the Christians of his day, that THEY would go to hell alongside Satan if they did not change their lives to meet God's requirements. His followers were shocked.

Read Matthew 25:31-end

The only possible interpretation is that there IS a hell and Christians will go there if they fail to live their lives as God has directed.

 

Lol

 

Yours is as good as any other explanation.

 

Thank you for the insightful analysis.

 

You need to redraw your conclusions.

 

Really. Well, I am glad you understand all the events in my life that have led me to such conclusions.

 

I'm glad it works for you.

There are billions of lives out there, and you are calling on them to all be convinced by events in your life?

 

1. We are all God.
2. Meducation can reveal what our purpose is.
3. Soul contract?
4. Incarnations.
5. Threre is a reason for suffering
6. We will play every role there is to play.
7. Lack of love is an illusion.
8. God is pure love.
9. Etc.

Can you present any evidence for these supernatural claims? Cause it sure looks to me like floods as a result of the weather, like any other natural world event are simply what they appear to be.

 

How do you reach that conclusion.?

Everybody is on their own path.

 

The conclusion is not without merit. Hebrews 11:1 says it well:
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

There is evidence of Gods activity all around, but God is not seen directly. I see it looking back at my life, and in nature and physics.

 

Faith is not evidence for anything. Rather, faith demonstrates there is no evidence.

So what empirical evidence shows god's activity in nature or physics? Saying you see it is a claim. Where is the evidence?

 

What you describe is “blind faith”. Thats weak faith and frankly a stupid faith.

That’s not how faith is defined by the Bible or by Christians. Faith is trust and confidence that God exists based on evidence.

Read “The Secret of Life” by David Suzuki (it’s also a PBS series) and then tell me all those incredibly intricate operations of cells are the result of evolution.

Or the 4 fundamental interactions in physics, study those and then claim they just “appeared”.

The universe is far too complex, the interactions far too subtle, to be random.