Why has Science Become Politicized?

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  1. RodB

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    Of course Democrats use the same narrative, and then some. If it sounds bad, they use it.
     
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    I was responding to another post.
    In yet another post I showed how EPA regulations are the predominant reason for closing coal power plants.
     
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    I haven't seen such a post.

    I will say that the EPA has caused some particularly old and dirty coal plants to close, but those were near end of life regardless.

    That is, the ones that closed don't represent the state of modern coal fired power production.

    So, when the issue is the future, the EPA isn't preventing the building of coal fired power plants. The problem is that new plants can't compete successfully for investor dollars. The money is going toward other means of power production.
     
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    replay:
    In 2010 there were 1400 coal-fired generating units in 580 plants making 320GW of electricity. 2016 saw 51GW retired because of EPA and 9GW retired for other reasons. By 2030 a total of 572 units (40% of 2010 units) making 100GW, 451 units (33% of 2010 units) making 75GW due to EPA, will be retired. Roughly 15% of the retired coal units, for whatever reason, will be converted to predominately natural gas.
    An interesting factoid: 65% of unit retirements between 2000 and 2010 were natural gas fired units. Though naturally gas was most of the new unit constructions.

    ".....when the issue is the future, the EPA isn't preventing the building of coal fired power plants."
    Surely you jest. The EPA has made it impossible after a few years of decline to build a new coal-fired power plant that would not go bankrupt as Obama promised.
     
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    And Obama promised to double the cost of electricity, because he doesn't give a **** about the plight of poor people, whose numbers increased substantially during his eight failed, miserable, incompetent years.
     
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    Yes, he said that, too. His words were, electricity prices will have to go "sky high."
     
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    Corn skyrocketed after the hypocritical Left insisted on manufacturing ethanol as a gasoline additive.
    Never mind that it takes a gallon of gasoline to produce a gallon of ethanol.
    Never mind that people in Haiti could no longer afford to make corn cakes, but started using dirt to make their
    patties.
    The Left doesn't give a **** about poor people, only about THEIR feeling good about "doing something," even if it
    is terribly destructive by any measure.
     
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    And now we have a glut of oil on the market and the ppb is below $50..
     
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    Science is deeply controlled by the church. They refuse to recognize the first tool of science, the mind. Specifically the unconscious mind which is deemed heretical by the church.

    This letter to the Union of Concerned Scientists proves it. No response whatsoever.

    http://algoxy.com/law/treasonresist/ucs.html
     
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    I totally agree that burning food for energy is a big mistake. And, that's not much of a stretch concerning what happened.

    BUT, let's remember that that was a public policy mistake. That is, it was a political mistake, not a mistake related to the science of climatology or even to other public policy. BigCorn is a powerful lobby, covering states that are politically important. They sold a "solution" that opened a big new market for corn at a time of concern about energy, and congress failed to resist it.
     
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    Stop it. Stop the ridiculous comments. First, Richard Dawkins, like atheists everywhere, is always citing the "thousands" of religions, or churches. You pretend that there is just one.

    Next, contemporary academia is well known to be atheist/agnostic, NOT "controlled by the church."

    Finally, your claim that one letter proves something is as nonsensical as everything else you prattled here.
     
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    Since you do not address the issue that UCS is not recognizing that the human mind is the first tool of science, your post is incompetent. The additional substance of the letter is also not addressed by your post.

    Dawkins is too controlled to be used as reference here and all of the churches actually have the same agenda, but you have not tested them so do not know it. The letter has proof of my tests attached (linked).

    This image, attached as a graphic, illustrates an absolute of our metal existence, and deserves some acknowledgement from UCS if they are not part of the problem. They are, and so are you.
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    Rod, no matter what facts and analysis you or I or anyone presents to Leftists, they never get it. They don't want to get it.
    They just want to stick to their Talking Points and feign intellectualism, after the manner of Al Gore.

    Totus mundis stultizat. - The whole world is getting stupider. For this, we can thank Leftist academia and socialism in general.

    Liberty and freedom are messy. Socialism is so simple. Just take from "the rich" and give to those who demand more and breed like flies.
     
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    If you think that left or right are responsible for the dumbing down and infiltration of science, then you are ready for more misinfo.

    It is the faction that insisted upon having left and right, puppet shows for a gullible, fearful group.

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    Ah yes, some "faction" made up the concept of left and right.

    Brilliant, Christopher. Absolutely *brilliant*.
     
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    The torys, so they could divide and confuse. Apparently it worked well with you.

    For real Americans there are only the principles of the republic and they unify behind them so why would there be any need for a group that names themselves republican? Or a group that pits themselves against the republicans while pretending to manifest those principles democratically when they've been prevented from learning exactly what the principles are?
     
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    You've never even BEEN to the United States. You're probably living in a rented flat in England, and you vote for the most socialist, left-wing candidate every time.
     
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    Why is science so politicized? Easy, that's what Marxist do.
     
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    Low oil prices > bad (to you and your liberal friends).

    High oil prices > bad (to you and your liberal friends).

    Anything Trump says or does or doesn't say or do > bad (to you and your liberal friends).

    Exactly WHAT does "a glut of oil" mean, when oil producers can increase or completely shut down their pumping operations any day?
    When there is always gasoline available at every station, every day, around the globe?
    How would ANYONE know there is "a glut of oil" unless some Fake News outlet was whining about oil?
    When the price went up under Bush, liberals screamed bloody murder.
    When the price went up under Obama, liberals cooed about his "Charm Offensive" all around the world.

    One MIGHT THINK that you Leftists would be happy when the price of oil drops, to the benefit of the poorest around the world.
    Unfortunately NOTHING MAKES YOU HAPPY except power and trampling on the rights of those of us you loathe.

    And now to my Ignore List with you. I don't know why I ever waited so long.
     
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    I know there is a glut because OPEC has reduced production and the basket price is less than $50... and if it goes much lower some domestic producers will shut down.

    Where did you say you studied chemical engineering?
     
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    Is this reply to me? Are you that incompetent?

    I'm in Santa Barbara California fighting for the restoration of Constitutional government. I vote for the candidate that makes the most sense. Few make much, but that is all the choice we get.
     
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    Low oil prices will put domestic producers and the Canadians out of business... They have already cancelled many explorations. You don't have a clue about the oil business. We have a glut of oil on the market. KSA has reduced production to try and keep the ppb above $50. US lift costs are the highest in the world.
     

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