The legal argument in Roe v. Wade is that the fetus isn't born yet - the marker for a baby. & so it's not yet a baby, child, etc. It's a fetus. Given time & a normal delivery, yes, it will be born & recognized as a baby. So the terminology of human is a non-starter - the courts don't think in those terms. Roe assigns the fetus' rights to the pregnant woman - as she carries the fetus, as a practical matter, she has custody of the body & usually gets to make decisions on the fetus' behalf. There's also a timeline for who can decide what in the course of the pregnancy - in the first trimester, the woman & her doctor(s) can decide to abort. In the second trimester, the state can begin to regulate the abortion decision/process. In the third, the state can forbid abortion, except for the woman's health. Roe was decided on precedent - as the states were all over the map in terms of permitting or regulating abortion, the Supreme Court accepted a case & ruled on it.
The USSC disagrees with you. One needs to be a person to have rights afforded by the constitution. A fetus isn't categorized as a person. You need to change the law.
The Supreme Court has stood by the decision to charge the murderer of a pregnant women with a double homicide. How do you figure?
The murder of a fetus is an add-on charge to the murder of the pregnant woman. TMK, it's never been applied solely to the death of a fetus. Some states have passed laws allowing this charge, some haven't. To me the charge (murder of fetus) sounds like an aggravating circumstance. In that respect, it's like the hate-crime category - demonstrating society's disgust with whatever the crime may be - a violent crime triggered by bias: assault, murder, rape, usually against a protected class, as defined by federal or state statute.
Ya you needed ammo, you had none...and have to resort to another empty post.....and abortion is still legal and all those women are disobeying you and having fun sex and abortions I see post 122 frightened you.....
Under the UVVA that can be done but it is not "murder" of the fetus and the UVVA has a specific clause that states it in no way affects abortion laws...
How silly! That wouldn't change anything.... """The bible""" (still) "" has nothing to do with the secular laws of the USA.""" no matter what's painted where
You truly don't know? Do you know the mother to be determines the legal rights of what she is carrying in her body? Is this your 1st debate into the abortion arena?
USA Secular law as in contrast to...USA Religious law? A Short List Do not murder. Do not commit adultery. (historical law before it became a secular lifestyle) Do not steal. Do not testify false witness against your neighbor.
pretty universal. No bible involved in most countries that have a law against murder How many were punished, but as you point out not in the USA anymore. So not biblical because it isn't a law. Again pretty universal. The bible says bear false witness. Not just testifying. So not biblical either for lying about someone isn't a crime. Unless it causes undo harm. But that only cover 40% of the 10 commandments and 2 on you list don't apply and 2 are mostly universal with no religion.
I believe #2 is still an offense (though could be wrong) under the (USA) UCMJ. Mosiac law is a much larger document than the Ten.
But not pertinent to USA laws. We may have some similarities to those mostly universal for societies to function. But Mosaic laws mean nothing except to maybe some jews.
Maybe religious people invented those things but secular law would've covered them regardless if some old guy carved them on stone ...or somethings painted on a wall You: """"Then you should scrub Moses off the walls of the Supreme Court Building."" YOU HID from the question: "What does that have to do with our laws?"
The UCMJ was/is pertinent to the millions who have and are serving. What is America's Law based on (source, foundation)? Imo, For people of faith Grace and Law have meaning for more than Jews exclusively. Live by the former or be judged by the latter. Mercy of the court would be Man's application of this Biblically documented relationship in the preceding sentence. Foxxy (not that Man's law can't be corrupted or a failure in conception or practice but) where do you think law originates?
Incorrect. Consent to sex is NOT agreement to gestating and giving birth should pregnancy occur. There is NO "contract". (I have no idea what NAP is)
NAP is Non-Aggression Policy of Libertarians. Kenny Naicuslik thinks it means that abortion is wrong but another REAL Libertarian straightened him out : """""I am a libertarian as well, and you seem to have some things mixed up a bit. The association between a pregnant woman and the developing fetus inside her must be a voluntary association to avoid violating the NAP. The fetus is, after you strip away all the appeal to emotion, a parasitic organism. That is, it is an organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host. The woman must voluntarily agree to maintain this relationship. To force her to do otherwise is a violation of the NAP.""""
It originates out of the need to preserve order in society...not so people can go to heaven in a fairy tale world. There were societies that had order and law BEFORE someone beat them over the head with the christian god. What is UCMJ ? I haven't mentioned it, whatever it is...why have you?
Freedom. Freedom from religion being forced on them by state. It is why many left England in the 1st place. The Treaty of Tripoli (Treaty of Peace and Friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary) was the first treaty concluded between the United States and Tripolitania, signed at Tripoli on November 4, 1796, and at Algiers (for a third-party witness) on January 3, 1797. It was submitted to the Senate by President John Adams, receiving ratification unanimously from the U.S. Senate on June 7, 1797, and signed by Adams, taking effect as the law of the land on June 10, 1797. It has attracted attention in recent decades because of a clause in Article 11 stating that "the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli
Uniform Code of Military Justice. The laws someone serving in the armed forces of the USA must abide by.
