Why is gay marriage part of the anti-Christian movement….

If you’re Christian or belong to any Judeo-Christian denomination or call yourself of any denomination of the catholic faith, then your position should be very clear an there should be no cause for discussion.
But if you are not of any Judeo Christian denomination or are atheist or just don’t believe in anything; then you can go on making up as you wish: “the anything goes” or as they say
“If it feels good do it”, whether is a dog a child or a horse it doesn’t matter to your set of beliefs at that point, and that is your purgative.
it goes without saying; then this article is not for you!
Back to the beginning...
Back to the example
Jesus came to the world to be the truth the way with the promise of eternal life to those who believe in him or where already of the Jewish Faith. (He never said they are condemned)
Every aspect of Jesus life from the humble beginnings has a meaning and a purpose.
In the old days for a woman to say that she was to conceive a child of god not of her husband to be would cause for alarm is an understatement. (At a time when adultery was punishable by death). Only because the archangel Gabriel appeared to the husband to be saint Joseph and the bride to be the virgin Mary was Joseph convinced that in fact it was the will of our father in heaven.
Moving forward Jesus is born from a normal but very humble and god loving couple.
We also see that it is very important for the mother to be blessed as well as the baby Jesus. Their faith in god keeps them alive in extremely difficult times.
But note: it was always the father the mother and child through the most difficult unimaginable of circumstances.
From the very beginning of Christianity you see the nativity scene;
Then throughout east and west of Europe Christianity spreads always with thousands of paintings stain glass and Christianity related art with always the Madonna and child
NEVER two men holding a child or anything else would not be a representation of a family as it was design by our lord and creator…..
To think otherwise will be in the realm of the antichrist…

 

please site scripture where Christ condemned homosexuality.

 

Don't even respond to him. He has three nonsense threads in this section alone that all say the same thing. I'm pretty sure he's delusional.

 

You can claim it's clear and that there should be no cause for discussion, but the mere fact that some Christians disagree with you both on the issue of clarity and same-sex couples marrying pretty much contradicts the assertion.

False statement. Just because a person isn't Judeo-Christian, that doesn't mean their faith is wholly amoral or pursues an "anything goes" philosophy.

It's aids them in voiding their bowels? Or did you mean prerogative?

It has a meaning for those who are followers of Jesus. For those who aren't, not so much.

If you believe all this as fact, then you're certainly entitled to hold those beliefs. It does not, however, make for a persuasive form of argument.

Same as above - you're welcome to your beliefs, but unless you're inviting us to debate those beliefs with you, I don't see anything here worthy of further discussion.

Moreover, none of the above shows that 1) same-sex couples marrying is anti-Christian (perhaps not in keeping with your beliefs about Christianity, but that's not the same thing), or 2) that there's an "anti-Christian movement".

 

Agreed. Anyone who claims to be a Christian or follow the teachings of Jesus should be firmly in favor of legal civil same-sex marriage.

The absolute highest commandment of Christianity is stated by Jesus himself in John 13:34. "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another"

There is nothing loving about using the government to ban people from seeking happiness, when their happiness does not interfere with yours in any way.

 

That would be an argument for making marriage available to any consenting adults who desire it, and does nothing for the arguments for "gay" marriage.

 

Why don't you leave homosexuals alone?

Whether you call it civil union or marriage they have civil rights... that DO NOT impact your marriage.

 

Homosexuals have been with us since the Dawn of time.. and perhaps they too are made in God's image.

Or, are you playing God?

Leave them alone and grant them their civil rights.

Whether you call it civil union or marraige, it has no impact on YOUR marriage.

 

I do. They are the ones in our face demanding tax breaks and governmental entitlements because they are gay.

 

What does this have anything to do with people who aren't Christians?

 

Amen to that!!

 

You wont find the happiness you seek in governmental tax breaks and entitlements

 

The first part of your post is incongruous with the second.

Of course it's an argument for making marriage available to any consenting adults. That's precisely how I intended it, because I support that concept.

Who gave you the right to be the arbiter of where someone else finds happiness? Certainly not Jesus.

This thread is (now) about why Jesus unequivocally demands that his followers love others as they love themselves, and why opposition to same-sex marriage is therefore against that commandment of Christ.

 

This thread is about "gay marriage". The 6 states that now have "gay marriage", do not have marriage for any two consenting adults. That may be YOUR argument but its not the argument that is being made by all the advocates for "gay marriage".

 

That's because gays aren't trying to legalize polygamy. They're two separate issues entirely.

 

That's your strawman. Bigots who oppose same-sex marriage rely on strawmanning their opponent's arguments, because there is no rational, secular argument whatsoever against legal same-sex marriage.

It's interesting, though, they seem to have changed tactics lately... maybe sensing the fact that they are losing...

Before it was "Gay marriage will lead to beastiality and pedophilia, gay marriage advocates are evil!!!"

Recently, judging by threads here, it has become "If gay marriage won't lead to polygamy, gay marriage advocates are hypocrites!!!"

Apparently, though, you won't be making any arguments here for a while. Gee, I wonder why?

 

I think it does affect Christian rights -- the right to preach what their religion says as well as the right to decide who may marry in their churches.

The silencing of the churches is already happening. On certain moral issues, a church that speaks out is a church that will be punished via the tax code.

As far as performing the ceremonies in the churches, it's really a matter of time. If the right to gay marriage is fundemental, then if I refuse to marry two men, I have violated their civil rights. Thus they can sue me and force me to marry them.

 

No, legalizing gay marriage will not force any church to marry people in violation of their religious teachings. It's nothing but a red herring.

 

It does no such thing. There are no restrictions on what they preach. How the heck would a secular law affect what they preach? Ridiculous.

Nonsense. There has never, ever, been a requirement that churches (or any other body who is able to marry people) marries any particular people. Churches refuse to marry people who were previously married. They refuse to marry people who aren't members of their religion. They refuse to marry people who can't afford to pay for their space and reverend. They refuse to marry people who don't go through premarital counseling.

There is absolutely no requirement that churches marry same-sex couples, and there never will be.

Again, absolute nonsense. Churches are allowed to speak and weigh in on any religious, moral, or political issues they want, and maintain their tax-exempt status. What they are not allowed to do is sponsor or endorse particular candidates for office or political parties.

Absolute nonsense again. Completely untrue. Not only can a wedding officiant not be forced, under any statute, code, regulation, or case, in common law history, to perform a wedding ceremony for any particular person, but in every state where same-sex marriage has been legalized, specific immunities and exceptions have been created for religious authorities, specifically allowing churches to refuse to marry same-sex couples and exempting them from any liability for doing so.

If same sex marriage were determined to be a fundamental civil right, it would not be a right enforceable against churches, but against the government. There is no course of action against the church, or any other private body, for violating such a right.


Your post is complete fail. Every single word of it is completely, factually, objectively, wrong. If you had any respect for the truth or accuracy, you'd retract the entire thing and apologize.

 

Nothing in the law forces Christians to preach or refrain from preaching anything. Nothing in the law forces any church to perform gay weddings. I defy you to show otherwise.

Churches are not being silenced. They continue to wield considerable power. No church has lost its tax exempt status for something it preached. Again, I defy you to show otherwise.

No, they can't. Churches have always had the power to refuse any couple for whom they deem marriage inappropriate, and nothing about the civil recognition of same-sex couples' marriages changes that. Not one iota.

You're going to have to cite sources for these plainly false assertions. Put up, or shut up.

 

That is quite simply bullsh*t. A priest or minister can stand at the pulpit and say any (*)(*)(*)(*) thing he wants to regarding whatever nonsense he and his flock happen to believe in. What he can't do is instruct people how to vote. And no law can or should dictate to a church what marriages to sanctify. I would be totally on the side of the church should that issue come up. And while a church as an entity has a right to a political position any church that uses its resources whether financial or human to materially support a political cause or candidate needs to pay taxes. And as far as I'm concerned it doesn't matter whether I agree with the church's position or not.

See above. Only in its own mind is any church the moral arbiter of society. Once all the churches agree on what's moral and what's not, maybe we can talk.

AND it looks like a good three people have beat me to this one.

 

Know how He loved Peter?

He told him, "Get behind me, satan!" - which presumably is pretty much what He'd say to people like you.

 

That's just silly. 'Love" doesnt invvolve tax breaks and entitlements. "As I have loved you". Jesus dindn't give tax breaks and entitlements to those he loved.

 

I'm not a Christian so I can't say for sure, but I doubt that you or anyone else is in any position to put words in Christ's mouth, presumably or not. The words have already been put there by tradition. Anything you add is only guesswork.

 

Then you surely agree that invoking the name of Christ in support of "gay marriage" is pure folly.