Why is it clear that Iran is developing nuclear weapons?

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  1. Realite

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    While Iran is insisting that its nuclear program is aimed at generating nuclear energy for civilian purposes, its behavior over the past years makes it clear that the Islamic Republic is intent upon building nuclear weapons.
    in a nut shell: kept secret for years, Unwillingness to cooperate with international inspectors, No economic justification, Insistence on an indigenous enrichment capability, Military bodies and personnel involved
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  2. HonestJoe

    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They probably are. Why wouldn't they given the environment they're in and the actions (or inaction) of the nations telling them having nuclear weapons is a bad thing?

    We're not going to be able to prevent other countries developing nuclear weapons while we continue to maintain, develop and support them ourselves. "Do as I say, not as I do" never works out very well.
     
  3. Warspite

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    Oh, we can prevent it - it is simply that the US or any other power for that matter is reticent to undertake the measures to prevent nuclear proliferation.

    Nuclear weapons are not going to go away, it's pointless to endeavour as such - nor should they go away, given that they are arguably the greatest instruments of peace in human history.
     
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    i agree. every country should try to defend from the enemys.
     
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    Sure, but not every country can or should develop nuclear armament.
     
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    if Iran dont have nuclear weapons then how will they defend themselv?
     
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    Using conventional military forces. Giving non-powers the ability to ward off great powers introduces imbalances in the international arena that are difficult to balance - like the problems with North Korea and Pakistan.
     
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    Nuclear weapons are a useless defence. They're a political tool rather than an active weapon. The problem is that as long as anyone has them, they risk killing us all.

    My position is that nobody should have them which is a world away from the arrogant position that nobody else should have them our governments have taken.
     
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    And what exactly will act as a deterrent to total war in place of nuclear ordnance?
     
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    I dont want to talk about a country making a nuclear weapon while my ally and its favourite country in the middle east (Israel) holds at least a dozen times more than the one or two Iran might make. These weapons are insurance. To store weapons and act like you will not use them is like going to war for peace. Its bull(*)(*)(*)(*). If you stack weapons of mass destruction expect your enemies and all that you slander daily in your media to arm themselves with your most sophistocated weapons. And when the war breaks loose and people use nukes rest assured who is to blame. The country that holds thousands and wars excessively to find a few that "might be there".

    Take aim at your leaders and your foolish citizens who ally with anyone who holds a nuclear weapon. Big or small they are the enemy. I will aim at the big cats. You go ahead and shoot the little kitten in Iran. This will bring the lion from the west and mark a nuclear haloucuast.

    Disarm or die!
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    I'm not convinced they act as any significant deterrent.
     
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    66 years without general warfare and counting.
     
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    Only if you have been sucking off the western propaganda. If you look for facts you'll be suprised.

    They cooperated on everything they signed to cooperate by with the IEAA. Now they want extra rights, and Iran has no obligation to comply.
    Smart people plan for the future, fossil fuels won't last forever.
    I'd insist too, why depend on hostile foreign governments to supply fuel?? That's risky and stupid, AND they have the right to enrich uranium.

    Personally, any accusation from the west regarding Iran means (*)(*)(*)(*) to me. After all would you believe someone who has been lying and misinforming you INTENTIONALLY for years? That's all from me and nobody throw any links at me, I got better things to do then search for articles. For an example of west lies regarding Iran check my signature.
     
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    They should if they expect to continue unmolested by the West and its client states.

    Smart people also realise that nuclear power requires an economic critical mass, which Iran lacks.

    Because a good method of cooling relations between yourself and said governments would be to promote economic cooperation and interdependency.
     
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    You're right, but i see them as proud people who probably think: Why should we be regarded to different standards then other countries. Besides, the american/israeli agenda is pretty obvious. In reality the war already started, smear campaigns, espionage, sabotage, assasinations.
     
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    Because they chose to appoint a fundamentalist Muslim who is a danger to global security and support a government that constantly makes threatening noises to neighbouring countries and Western client states. That is why they are held to a different standard - nuclear armament is a privilege, not a right.
     
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    Israel has been threatening to bomb Iran since 2001.. If they only wanted Nuclear power and desal plants in the beginning, I am sure they want nuclear weapons now.

    Who GRANTS this "priviledge"?
     
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    Defend themselves against what?

    The last war Iran was involved in was the 1980-1988 Iran-Iraq War.

    The closest before that was a Joint UK-USSR occupation back in 1941, which was to prevent Germany from attempting a drive south to occupy the oil fields themselves.

    The Allies agreed to withdraw 6 months after the end of hostilities, and in March 1946 UK forces left. Soviet forces left 2 months later.

    So who exactly are they going to need nukes to protect themselves against? Iraq is the last nation to invade them, and they do not have nukes. Ironically, the only nation in the region that probably has nukes is Israel. And Israel and Iran have never been in conflict.

    And in conventional forces, they have the largest army in the region (ranked 8 worldwide). Their military is composed of over 2.8 million men. In fact, their armed forces are about equal to the rest of the armed forces in the region combined.

    So who exactly do they need protection from?
     
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    A logical continuation:

    The last war near the US borders was the war against Mexico in 1848.

    The US were never occupied by foreign armies.

    They have the the strongest army in the world.

    So what for do they have the nuclear weapon?To defend themselves against what?
     
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    Wrong.

    Spanish-American War, major fighting just 200 miles off the US coastline.

    Then there was the Border War with Mexico, from 1910 to 1918. The most famous individual from this conflict was Pancho Villa. Many towns in Arizona, Texas and New Mexico were attacked during this conflict.

    And of course there was World War II, with German naval activity right off the coast and sometimes even inside the harbors of the United States.

    And of course the Japanese invasions of Wake, Guam, Midway, Alaska, and Hawaii. All of which were and are US territories.

    War of 1812, Wake, Guam, Midway, Dutch Harbor, Attu, Kiska.
     
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    Iran is so hot to nuke Israel and save the world from Zionism that they can't hardly stand it. Their tongues are hanging out on the ground with murderous zeal and hatred.

    Some of the citizens of Iran are apalled by this, but since their parents tossed the Shah out years ago, they are stuck with Islamofascists for a long time coming, even though they pray that the USA would come and rescue them from their murderous leaders.
     
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    Telling everyone what to do is why we're hated by the entire world. The US has been pushing the world around for too long.
     
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    Israel is a Western client state, it will do nothing of the sort unless backed into a corner.

    The great powers grant the privilege.
     
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    Dont care. Imagine what would happen if one of these arab countries decided to invade afghanistan and attack the entire american army there. What then? Well lets look to protocol for the army. THEY WILL USE NUKES. The real threat is America and all other countries that have nuclear weapons.

    Down with american and israeli soldiers outside of america and israel. Cheers to the patriots that get rid of them in a patriotic manner. BULLET TO THE HEAD.
     
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    God I hope Iran uses a nuke some day, than we can finally wipe that country off the map for good
     

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