Why is the shotgun so deadly?

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  1. Seth Bullock

    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If I could only own one firearm ... nuff said.
     
  2. DoctorWho

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    And if I were King of the Forrest........



    Sigh...
     
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  3. yiostheoy

    yiostheoy Well-Known Member

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    Jeeze is this English ???
     
  4. yiostheoy

    yiostheoy Well-Known Member

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    The available unit close by rushed into the scene and scared the burglar away.
     
  5. yiostheoy

    yiostheoy Well-Known Member

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    everything jams.

    semi's jams more than anything else.
     
  6. yiostheoy

    yiostheoy Well-Known Member

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    Not mine. No piston.
     
  7. yiostheoy

    yiostheoy Well-Known Member

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    Jeeze I gave you a perfect one. Just use that one.
     
  8. DoctorWho

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  9. DoctorWho

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    That is not completely true,
    Semiautomatic Firearms jam if;

    1. Very low quality.
    2. Very poor maintenance
    3. Low quality ammo
    4. User induced error / failure
    Failure to read owners manual
    5. Improper or excessive lubricant
    6. Parts failure

    Properly maintained high quality semiautomatic firearms will not jam any more than their bolt action or pump brethren, revolvers etc....
     
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  10. yiostheoy

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    If it is semi auto then it will jam.

    A self evident truth.

    To be effective it must be easy to clear jams.

    The AR's and the Benelli's are NOT easy to clear.

    The Ruger Mini's are easy to clear.
     
  11. yiostheoy

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    Not that I know of.

    You must be talking about a detail strip.

    I only field strip.

    Momma Green and Uncle Sam both said -- never detail strip. Leave that to an armorer/gunsmith.
     
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    I am a certified armorer / gunsmith.
    Hence why I know these things, like the famed Numrich Arms and Gun Parts corp. spoken of in hushed tones in the sanctum Santorum of the inner circle of those in the know.
     
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  13. Reiver

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    Never had a problem with hunting for grub. I welcome the poachers on private land! Bit different to killing for fun
     
  14. Turtledude

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    I have 3 MIs. I prefer the five shot version for balance. I also have two FNH SLP 1s -a competition version and a standard tactical version. These are preferable to the Benellis IMHO. So is the well made Remington VERSAMAX-Bought two for my son-a 3G tricked out one and one in zombie green. Another good choice is the Mossberg Miculeck 830. Half the cost of the others-shot a sporting clays event with it-95/100. winning score. good balance
     
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    The Miculek doesn't have that good of a reputation around here for 3 Gun. The Stoeger M3K with upgraded ejector seems to hit the entry level spot.
     
  16. An Taibhse

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    That is why, IMO, you learn your weapon’s characteristics and also train with drills to resolve such failures so it becomes a seamless part of your skill set. It’s something I teach my students so they have the ability to think, assess and resolve without panic. While there are a few failures that cannot be quickly resolved, even with revolvers, good training can help to mitigate emergency consequences.
    Then too, many failures can be avoided by keeping weapons well maintained, well tested for reliability, frequently inspected for worn or damaged parts, replacement of stock parts known to fail with better aftermarket parts, and a host of other preventative measures.
    Some semi pistols can jam if limp wristed, others by inadvertainly activating controls, for instance I have seen some left handers shooting 1911’s bump the slide catch during shooting locking slide open, something that can be avoided by training, a reprofiling of the catch or an aftermarket slide catch designed to prevent that from happening.
    I have seen people religiously train using FMJ ammo, judge their gun reliable, then acquire magic SD bullets they carry that they have never tested in their gun for reliability because of cost. That old saying, ‘Penny wise; pound foolish’
    I would say, while anything, even a knife, can fail, the most frequent cause is the operator.
     
  17. QLB

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    And killing for fun is exactly what?
     
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    Funny, your comment made me think of Gen. James Ripley, the Army’s ordnance chief who resisted acquiring ‘new fangled’ guns like breech loaders, the Spencer and Henry rifles because he thought it would encourage waste of ammunition. Yet, it was Bufford’s Spenser wielding small force of Calvery at Gettysburg that stalled a much larger opposing force, providing time for the Union to bring up reinforcements and ultimate secure the ground that would provide Union the edge it needed against Lee in the opening day of battle. To each his own; I like options.
     
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    Shameful?
     
  20. DoctorWho

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    Is not poaching illegal ?
    It is here.

    How dare you take the King's deer !
     
  21. QLB

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    No, I mean an example thereof. In liberal la la land this can mean just about anything.
     
  22. Reiver

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    William the Bastard is long dead dear boy
     
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    Which proves exactly what?
     
  24. Rucker61

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    I think he's looking for your definition of "hunting for fun" as opposed to acceptable forms of hunting.
     
  25. Reiver

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    Bit obvious isn't it? If you're hunting purely because you have a hard-on for killing animals then that is a tad disagreeable.
     

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