Why Mommy, Why?

You know...I would ask you to define exactly what your position is regarding abortion.

What is your position on abortion in the event a Mothers life is in jeopardy?

In the event the fetus has been determined to be extremely improperly developed?

In the event of Rape or Incest?

And if your position would agree an abortion is needed for any of these conditions....at what point in the fetus' development?

AboveAlpha

 

HOAX

http://www.snopes.com/photos/medical/thehand.asp

 

I would REALLY hate to find out that he knew it was a hoax and posted it anyways.

AboveAlpha

 

Never happened. "The baby did not reach out," Dr Bruner said. "The baby was anesthetized. The baby was not aware of what was going on." ( Davis, Robert. "Hand of a Fetus Touched the World." USA Today. 2 May 2000 (p. D

I don't know since I am not a physician.

You do know that abortion was perfectly legal in the USA until the 19th century, right?

 

Well, this fetus was born at 23 weeks and could grasp hands:

 

Doesn't look like it is grasping much there, chief. So is the new pro-life argument: Life begins at grasping? Or does your argument begin at grasping? I really don't see how any of this matters.

 

Yes, fetuses scream in pain during saline abortions. They suffer. Even if fetuses aren't persons, they don't deserve such horrific treatment. Animals aren't persons, and there's still laws against animal cruelty, despite animals not legally being considered persons.

 

At his stage, abortion should be banned, even for rape and incest. It is definitely a baby at this point. The circumstances behind how it was conceived do not negate the fact of what it is.

 

The Human Body at any stage of development is just a BIOLOGICAL MACHINE.

What determines whether a PERSON exists is Higher Brain Functions which create SENTIENCE.

Any pictures, video or viewed activity of a Fetus moving or grasping or reacting prior to that Fetus obtaining Higher Brain Function and thus the beginnings of SENTIENCE cannot be stated or used as some form of PROOF that such a fetus is in fact....SENTIENT.

It has been determined that even a fully developed and born baby is not fully sentient but sentience does begin to develop at full capacity at the beginning of the 3rd Trimester.

MRI and CT Scans of the Fetus have and can determine this as at a moment upon the beginning of the 3rd Trimester a scan will see a Fetus' Higher Brain Functions to literally....TURN ON.

Now even a person who has had massive Brain Trauma and lost a large portion of their brain and upon a CT Scan it is determined that the person is BRAIN DEAD...with ZERO Higher Brain Function thus legally can have the life support shut off as this person is effectively dead.....such a person can grasp, kick, react to stimulus as it is their body and nervous system doing so.

AboveAlpha

 

So just to clarify....Your position is at NO TIME and under NO CONDITION OR CIRCUMSTANCE...even if a Doctor determines the woman will DIE....an abortion is not justified?

AboveAlpha

 

Saline abortions should be illegal. Even if I was pro-choice, I would still support making saline abortions illegal. If fetuses are not persons, well guess what, neither are animals, and there's still laws about treating animals humanely.

 

So tell us Anders, is it out of sheer ignorance, because you swallowed the entire dogma driven so called pro-life mantra or is just blatant dishonesty? Maybe both?

 

How about you Sam?

Would you support allowing an abortion in the event the Mother's Life was at stake or if the Fetus was bady deformed?

AboveAlpha

 

Animals are not persons, but animal cruelty is against the law. Even if fetuses should not be classified as persons, some forms of abortions should absolutely be illegal, such as saline abortions. The fetus is horribly tortured to death during saline abortions. At least treat fetuses the same way that you would treat other non-persons.

 

Does a newborn baby have "higher brain function" ?!?

What exactly is "sentience" ? How do we know when it begins?
Is it okay to kill a human live that is squirming around just because it has not fully developed sentience yet?

I can tell you really want abortion to be perfectly okay, even when you know these are no different from babies.

Life of the woman is just a pro-choice diversionary tactic. Listening to pro-choicers sometimes, one would think that every woman's life was in danger. Actually it is very very rare for a pregnancy to ever pose an imminent threat to the woman's life, and there is no reason allowances would not be made for this in the law. In fact, all too often the "woman's health" exception has been misused so that women can still get elective abortions after 24 weeks.

 

Anders and Sam....I am still waiting.

If you would reply it would be much appreciated so that I do not assume anything incorrect about either of your positions.

Than You.

AboveAlpha

 

Saline abortions should always be illegal-they are a horrible way to torture the fetus-which screams in pain. It's against the law to torture animals, which are not legally considered to be persons. It's legal to kill animals for food, and even for sport hunting, but it's a very serious crime to torture animals and to make them suffer.

Please define "badly deformed" for me, second of all, and then maybe I can answer your above questions.

 

What does your post have to do with Anders' ignorance or dishonesty? Is it really that dificult for you to stay on topic or relevant?

 

Anders...what I have posted are simply...FACTS.

I have not said ANYTHING of the sort as far as what you have assumed here in your reply and I DO NOT agree with it being legal to have an abortion at anytime during a woman's pregnancy.

You should do yourself a favor and look at this issue objectively and USE SCIENCE AND FACTS to determine your beliefs not your emotions because this issue is important.

AboveAlpha

 

Is it really this easy for you to ignore any direct statements which I make because you know that your beliefs are absolutely false and wrong?

 

Just to clarify....by ANYTIME...I mean that I do not believe that is a fetus is healthy and so is the Mother and it is very late in the Pregnancy...Late Term Abortions under these conditions should not be legal.

AboveAlpha

 

I will give you a few possible states of a deformed Fetus.

1. The Fetus is very deformed due to either Genetic or Chemical driven Abnormalities and if brought to full term and birthed...can only look forward to a life of Emotional and Physical Pain as short as it may be.

2. The Fetus has been determined to not capable of surviving without life support if born.

3. The Fetus does not have eyes, nose or a face just holes.

4. The Fetus brain has been determined to not be able to develop to allow sentience.

AboveAlpha

 

Anders...I find it disturbing that a person as vocal and outspoken as you are upon your position on Abortion for some reason will not answer my very direct question.

I respect a persons RIGHT to believe as they will. I may not agree with their beliefs but as long as they base their beliefs upon a Line of Logic or Scientific Facts...I will respect their beliefs as well.

Are you not answering my question because you are ashamed to do so?

AboveAlpha

 

Okay, maybe in SOME of those cases abortions should be allowed, yes.

 

I am happy to hear you say that.

If you could indulge me Sam...which one's.

My question is an honest on and I am not trying to trap you or make you look bad.

AboveAlpha