Why Russia and China Never Want to Fight America's F-22 Raptor.....

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  1. MMC

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    The F-22’s command and control sensors and avionics help other coalition aircraft identify and destroy targets. While some of the aircraft’s technologies are not “publically discussable,” Broadwell did say that the F-22’s active and passive sensors allow it to function as an “aerial quarterback” allowing the mission to unfold.

    Zacharias explained that fifth generation fighters such as the F-35 and F-22 are quickly approaching an ability to command-and-control nearby drones from the air. This would allow unmanned systems to deliver payload, test enemy air defenses and potentially extend the reach of ISR misisons.

    Newer F-22s have a technology called Synthetic Aperture Radar, or SAR, which uses electromagnetic signals or “pings” to deliver a picture or rendering of the terrain below, allow for better target identification.

    The SAR technology sends a ping to the ground and then analyzes the return signal to calculate the contours, distance and characteristics of the ground below.

    F-22 Technologies:
    “The F-22 engines produce more thrust than any current fighter engine. The combination of sleek aerodynamic design and increased thrust allows the F-22 to cruise at supersonic airspeeds. Super Cruise greatly expands the F-22’s operating envelope in both speed and range over current fighters, which must use fuel-consuming afterburner to operate at supersonic speeds,” Broadwell explained

    “Its greatest asset is the ability to target attack and kill an enemy without the enemy ever being aware they are there Broadwell added......snip~

    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...-want-fight-americas-f-22-raptor-19539?page=2

    What do you think?
    Does China or Russia have any planes that can defeat the Raptor?
     
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    Of course they do. Almost any fighter can shoot down another if they have a well trained pilot and the circumstances are right.
     
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    The Mig Killer


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    The Douglas Skyraider has been the last piston engine propelled aircraft to shoot down a jet fighter.
    The last propeller U.S. Navy attack aircraft to disappear from the decks of the flattops was the Douglas AD Skyraider.

    This airplane had a unique capability: even when it carried its full internal fuel of 2,280 pounds, a 2,200-lb torpedo, two 2,000-lb bombs, 12,5 inch rockets, two 20 mm guns and 240 pounds of ammunition, the Skyraider was still under its maximum gross weight of 25,000 pounds.

    Entered in service just in time to take part in the Korean War, the Skyraiders in the improved A-1H version were quite slow; nevertheless in spite of performance not even comparable to those of the other assets in the air wing’s strike group, the propeller-driven attack aircraft managed to shoot down two MiG-17s during the early part of the Vietnam War.

    In fact, some of the most unusual kills of the conflict did not come from the F-4s, F-105s, or F-8s, but from the Korean War-era piston-engine Skyraiders, thanks to the four M3 20 mm fixed forward-firing cannons capable of firing 800 rounds per minute, that fitted the A-1Hs.

    The first of these victorious engagements took place on Jun. 20, 1965, when a flight of Skyraiders from the Strike Squadron 25 (VA-25) Fist of the Fleet, took off from the USS Midway (CVA-41) supporting the rescue of a downed USAF pilot in the northwest corner of North Vietnam were attacked by a flight of MiG-17s.

    The two enemy jets launched missiles and fired with their cannons against the two A-1Hs, but both Skyraiders’ pilots, Lt. Charles W. Hartman III, flying A-1H BuNo 137523, radio callsign “Canasta 573,” and Lt. Clinton B. Johnson, flying A-1H BuNo 139768, callsign “Canasta 577,” evaded them before and maneuvered to shoot down one of the MiGs with their 20 mm cannons.

    Lt. Johnson described this engagement in Donald J. McCarthy, Jr. book “MiG Killers A Chronology of U.S. Air Victories in Vietnam 1965-1973” as follows: “I fired a short burst at the MiG and missed, but got the MiG pilot’s attention. He turned into us, making a head-on pass. Charlie and I fired simultaneously as he passed so close that Charlie thought I had hit his vertical stabilizer with the tip of my tail hook. Both of us fired all four guns. Charlie’s rounds appeared to go down the intake and into the wing root, and mine along the top of the fuselage and through the canopy. He never returned our fire, rolled, inverted, and hit a small hill, exploding and burning in a farm field.”

    The subsequent MiG kill of this engagement was shared by both Hartmann III and Johnson.

    The second victory of the propeller-driven Skyraider against a North Vietnamese MiG-17 jet fighter, took place on Oct. 9, 1966 and involved four A-1Hs launched from the deck of the USS Intrepid (CV-11) in the Gulf of Tonkin flying as “Papoose flight.”

    The flight was from the Strike Squadron 176 (VA-176) Thunderbolts and it was led by Lt. Cdr. Leo Cook, with Lt. Wiley as wingman, while the second section was led by Lt. Peter Russell with Lt. William T. Patton as wingman.

    It was during the RESCAP (the REScue Combat Air Patrol, a mission flown to protect the downed pilots from ground threats) flight, that the “Spads” (as the Skyraiders were dubbed by their pilots) were attacked by four MiG-17s. This engagement ended with one Fresco confirmed as being shot down, a second as probably shot down and a third heavily damaged.

    According to McCarthy, the MiG-17 kill was awarded to “Papoose 409,” the A-1H BuNo 137543, flown by Lt. Patton who, after having gained a position of advantage on one of the MiGs, opened fire with his four guns, hitting the tail section of the enemy jet. Patton followed the MiG which descended through the cloud deck and when Papoose 409 emerged from the clouds he spotted the enemy pilot’s parachute.

    The U.S. Navy Skyraiders last combat tour took place from July 1967 to 1968 onboard USS Coral Sea (CV-43), but this versatile propeller aircraft continued to fly with the U.S. Air Force and with the Vietnamese Air Force until the end of the conflict thanks to its unparalleled capabilities in close air support.


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    IIRC, B-52Ds managed to shoot down a couple of Migs as well.
     
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    With it's tail gun ?
     
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    With it's four 50 cal. yes.

    Note the B-52D was more favored by SAC crews over Vietnam than the G model.

    It carried a bigger bomb load, had a better ECM suite, and the tail gunner was well positioned to spot SAMs.

    For what its worth there were at least a couple of crashes where B-52s overshot the runways and slid into minefields which detonated and destroyed the bombers. In those cases the tailgunners were the only survivors.
     
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    Where was this, Guam or Thailand ?
     
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    Not certain. Did any B-52s have to make emergency landings in South Vietnam?

    I have a magazine that celebrated a recent anniversary of the B-52s in service and it listed the fate of all 744 B-52s built.
     
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    Not to my knowledge. As far as I know all B-52's that bombed North Vietnam, Laos and I guess Cambodia flew out of Guam or Thailand.

    Did a few months in the Da Nang rocket belt area and the largest aircraft I ever saw at the Da Nang air base were civilian commercial Boeing 707's.

    The largest military aircraft I saw at Da Nang Air Base was on the west side of the base which was the Air Force side of the base and some Air Force B-57's.
     
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    If they did, it would usually make them in Cam Ranh Bay. But APACHERAT is correct. B-52's were not in country but flew out of other locations such as Guam and Thailand. They were deemed to be too valuable to risk keeping them in South Vietnam were they would be susceptible to ground and mortar fire.

    I think they flew out Kadena, AFB off Okinawa as well as Guam and Thailand.
     
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