Why should I oppose abortion? GIVE ME A VALID REASON.

Yes. There is such a thing as a dead human being.

The term "living human being" makes that distinction clear.

The terms "living human" and "living human being" are the same so why not use the shorter ?

 

Let's not play word games please. I have said the beginning of "a human life" is at conception/fertilization, I have not referred to just "human life" although others have tried to muddy the issue by doing so. It appears you are doing the same. I'm not talking about "human life" starting at conception, I'm talking about "a human life" starting at conception. Here are some quotes which further clarify what I'm talking about.

http://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html

 

Can you now tell us why that is relevant and a determining factor?

 

My statement was a relevant response. I'm not sure what else you are referring to when you are asking for relevance and determining factors, please elaborate. Also, please realize you are jumping into a discussion midstream.

As far as relevance to the thread topic and a determining factor regarding why I oppose abortions for convenience, I've already stated that with my first few posts in this thread.

 

Yeah right, a human zygote isn't human at all!

 

My question is: Why is conception relevant to the abortion issue and why should it be a determining factor to its legality?

 

Easy answer. It is the only objective and non arbitrary beginning point that is available to use as a threshold.

 

Says who? I suppose that relevance and reality is of no importance to you.

 

been explained to you many times.

 

Oh please, not the same old unsupported claim. That IS boring.

 

Well your posts certainly are!

Every other threashold ever presented is arbitrary as has been shown.

Educate yourself!

http://www.politicalforum.com/abortion/153811-excellent-synopsis-errors-roe-v-wade.html#post3014498

 

As I quoted earlier, this is why conception/fertilization is relevant to the abortion issue.

http://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/ar...yoquotes2.html

Conception/fertilization is the start of a new human life it is the beginning point of a human being.

As far as legality, that's not the topic of this thread. This thread only asked for a valid reason to oppose abortion. Whether abortions should be legal or not is another matter.

 

You are correct sir!

 

You have not responded to the question and your link does not work. You are repeating what fertilization is but not elaborating WHY it has any significance.

OK we can discuss that as some other time. Still I would like to know the significance of fertilization. So what if it is a beginning? Why is the result at that point significant?

 

AGAIN read a post before you respond to it!!!! It is the actual beginning of EVERY human being's life.

 

Well that's exactly my point. Abortion is wrong because homicide is wrong. For those people who only believe homicide is wrong because of consensus, cultural or economic reasons, they have no real believe that it is wrong. We have seen the results of this in history, whenever a certain type of human is dehumanized because of popular convenience needs (Hitler, Rwanda etc) homicide becomes ok. Only for those people who believe homicide is wrong on a more fundamental level, that it is wrong because of reasons beyond human reasoning, will they stand up for life in all circumstances including the unborn.

 

First off .. I have been through every quote on that site and none come from subject matter experts.

Embryologists are not experts in defining what an organism is, when human life begins, what is a human, and so forth.

for "a human life" to exist you need to prove 2 things.

1) a human exists
2) that human is alive

1) at the zygote stage no human exists ..it is not even considered an organism.

Even if it was an organism it is not classified as a homo sapien (required for a human being which refutes the first quote in your post) and further, it is not the same type of organism as "a human" because it reproduces asexually, not sexually like a human does.

2) even if you were to prove it was "a human" it is not a living human having no heart or brain. No such thing as a living human without these.

The next quote deals with genetics/DNA

The only significant difference between the zygote DNA and any other human cell is that they zygote DNA has the program codes " create a human" turned on.

It is not that the other cells do not have these codes, indeed they do, they are just not turned on.

The problem with your quotes is that they do not give the why ??

There is no statement in your quotes .. this makes the entity "a human" because (followed by a valid arguement)

 

As long as the undesirables are aborted, I'm okay with it.

 

How do we know whether or not it will be undesireable (aside from genetic abnormalities) ?

 

Ask Margaret Sanger.

 

Your argument contains a logical fallacy "assuming the premise"

Your assumed premise is that "all abortion is homicide".

You have not shown that a zygote is "a human" so your argument contains a false premise.

 

Margaret Sanger was opposed to abortion. And besides, she's dead, do you have a special line?

 

Out of touch or clueless?

 

For the last time, THERE ARE NO SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS!!!!!

 

Doesn't anybody study history anymore? Jeez!

Guess who said that???