I have never really understood why some folks just wet their pants when they see or talk about guns. Can someone please explain why a firearm so upsets some people.
Thanks for finally getting a new thread into this part of the forum! I don't get it either. In all of the discussion, we see that America actually is NOT the murder and mayhem capital of the world, as the antis would have us believe. There are a whole lot of things that cause more child fatalities, accidents in general, and suffering on the whole, but the big red hot key gets pinned on guns. They're only good for what they're good for. Mine lay around most of the time. Some are there because I feel the need to have them for defense. It's been years since I had to use one that way, but no other thing in this world would have worked as well. Some of mine are there just because I like to shoot. When I do shoot, it's no more dangerous to others than if I was shooting pool, or shooting craps. You can't stop people from having opinions and fears.
There really isn't any angst about firearms. The angst is about society's inability to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, fools, and the mentally unstable. The fact that a lot of responsible gun owners oppose any attempts to limit the murder of innocents is pretty hard to understand. And no, guns in the hands of individuals will be totally ineffective against a tyrannical government.
The Leftist gun control activists around the world don't hate guns, they don't want the common man to have them. When criminals can run free, basically unpunished for their lives of crime, they could obviously care less what the gun laws are. Those who don't care about using dangerous narcotics themselves or selling them to children or pregnant mothers will have little concern about the legalitiy of guns. You can thank the ACLU and other reactionaries for allowing so many dangerous mental patients to roam the nation. The psyciatric community needs to be placed under the microscope, not the gun industry. Tanks, jets and othe high tech weapons didn't stop paritisans in WW2, and they haven't stopped the Islamic troublemakers in the A-Stan and Iraq today. All of these people use or have used guns as primary weapons. You may only think in the context of 1776 America, but more currently: http://patdollard.com/2014/01/mexic...-battles-citizen-militias-battling-gangsters/
Please explain your reasoning here, because time and time again throughout history the above has been proven false.
I support the 2A. I own guns and believe everyone should be trained in their use and that more people should CCW. Peace and Love have become amplified expressions by millions and made more noticeable because of technology. Until now we virtually worship at the altar of Peace and Love without the rational context within which P&L must exist. Bottom line, anti-gun people are too much brain washed by the P&L ethos and they're over sensitized to it.
My individual right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is better protected by my having arms rather than not having arms. That is the ultimate right and responsibility.
Ah, the last resort of those who have no arguement - "its for the children". I don't see you ranting about car deaths, or deaths due to medical mistakes. Seems you are selective in your concern about children. Could it be that you don't like guns and children are a convenient arguement, but you don't want your freedom to travel to be inconvenienced so a few extra child deaths from cars are OK?
Cars do not kill children in schools, Doctors do not slaughter children en mass while they read Curious George. And...I have a hard time understanding how two simple words might qualify as a "Rant". A question was asked and I replid with my answer as clearly and minimally as possible...that you then lash out at me says far more about your mentality than I possibly could.
So then its not that children are killed needlessly, the tragedy of a childs death is not actually the issue, its the method used to kill the children that is important to you. Death by firearm is bad, but death by car or medical incompetence is acceptable. Yes, I replied directly and clearly to your minimalist response. The fact that I put the issue in clear terms which highlight your hypocrisy should disturb you.
School buses are major killers of children and others. These large instruments of death have killed 1386 people since 2000. The death machines cause an estimated 17,000 injuries EACH YEAR. The relative few who have died in shcool shootings over the last 2 decades in the US pale in comparison to the thousands of dead and injured heaped in and around school buses. The force generated by the speed and mass of these leviathans completely overshadows that from even the most powerful rifle. http://theschoolbus-jkraemer.blogspot.com/p/2011-school-bus-releated-deaths.html Buses kill. Ban them to save the children.
I would have thought that mu reply to the question made this abundantly clear....I'll try to simplify even more though, in an attempt to help you understand my position: Thread: Why the angst over firearms. When Children are killed by firearms in schools, it is generally understood it is not an accidental death. Though the firearm obviously does not shoot the child on it's own, it is used in the slaughter and makes the amount of carnage much easier to create and multiplies the casualties dramatically.
fate, destiny, accidents.....seems like all of our lives are governed by external forces You do know that the parents of these slain "children" are the parent's fault, right? Then next is the administration.... They sent them there to be shot.....so glad we can agree on something..there's no better advertising than painting a sign outside of a school that says "Gun-Free Zone" to invite disaster Lawful gun owners are not a fault on any level.
You want to save children lives? You REALLY want to save children lives? Then go after the drug dealers whom are KILLING our kids with Heroin, Meth etc... AND by going after them I mean a quick trial and execution.
Urbanization has played a role.Rural people grow up with guns viewed as tools. In the city they are used for crime. Grow up in a city, you are more likely to be afraid of guns.
That is clear, but still narrow minded as your angst is over a single facet (school shootings, which are rare) of the issue.
As the question was simply a request of opinions on why there was so much "Angst" around the gun issue....I feel my reply was quite pertinent, as most of the outcry involves these "Rare" killings. No one seems to get overly angry about accidental shootings, urban violence, or gun murders involving adults.
OHH I get very angry when because of anti-gun believers, guns are limited or restricted in such a manner as to disallow or dissuade innocent law abiding citizens the ability to defend their lives against a criminal who has no concern for following laws in the first place. I get very steamed when the anti-gun crowd mistakenly believes that by posting building it prevents someone with criminal intent from entering the building when in reality it only prevents those who harbor no malicious intent from being able to defend themselves or others. I get furious when the anti-gun crowd believe that there are criminals out there who would attack a president, a politician, a Hollywood star, or some other famous personality so it's OK for them to be surrounded by people with guns to protect them yet these same people continue to believe that our precious children don't deserve the same consideration for the very same reasons the famous people need protection. My actual belief is that the anti-gun crowd has done more harm to these children that pro-gun, especially in light of the fact that both criminals and weapons are a fact of life.
pure genius..........ok, let's look at it from your view point per your statement. 300,000,000 guns=300,000,000 dead people...nope don't see that
