Why would a woman live on a desert island by herself because she feels no need to reproduce. How could she have all that FUN SEX with any man she chooses at any time she likes if she's alone? I see you only value women as broodstock, how much and how well they produce....too bad for you women think of themselves as humans..... Think of women as cattle? Good luck with that !
Why is that a silly idea? Why would non-breeders put the burden of maintaining the human population on others? You have no obligations at all? Like I said, go live in a desert Island then.
Stop projecting your opinions on me. I never said any of that except to go live on a desert Island if you don't want to contribute to society. Sure sex is FUN because otherwise, men would not risk the liability of having sex just to be burdened by a needy, nagging female.
Having kids is a "burden" to you? But yet you insist that every woman breed.......how illogical. No, you might find a few women stupid enough to think they were only put on earth to breed but most have brains and do whatever they want
Yes children ARE a burden that's why lots of women abort isn't it? They kill a developing life so the burden is preempted. It is women themselves that have labeled children a burden. Now you want to turn the tables.....
You still insist that women's only possible contribution to society is breeding, that is an ignorant thought......but your last 6 words sure explain a LOT - - - Updated - - - YUP! That's one good reason. Having kids is a "burden" to you? But yet you insist that every woman breed.......how illogical.
No you are projecting what you think on what I posted. Apparently any suggestion that women take responsibility for their own actions has to be summarily bashed into the ground even it if takes misquoting. OK so why did you try to denigrate me for repeating what you agree with? Women are the ones who always say children are a burden and have no problem killing a developing human life.
The fact that a woman's biology allows her to function as an incubator does not give you the right to demand that she function as an incubator. When a man acts on that logic (with respect to sex) we call him a rapist. Where is it written that any woman must give up months at a time to incubate every egg that is successfully fertilized?
No, some people contribute more to society by helping others than by creating more humans. What is your source for believing every human being is obligated to create/incubate new life? - - - Updated - - - Are you saying you see reproduction as an obligation instead of a blessing?
No, many women get abortions because they realize they are not healthy enough, or do not have enough resources, to raise a child now, and they do not wish to put that burden (your words) on her family, or on society. Are you a vegan? If not, you kill developing life every day.
First of all an incubator is a machine that provides a controlled environment for eggs or premature born babies. There is no comparison to a woman's uterus or womb. Second, please provide a quote from me where I said I demanded a woman function as an incubator. I demanded nothing at all. I offered my opinion. Apparently even offering an opinion about reproduction and women creates and open season for liars. The natural way is for a man and woman to unite, make a new life and raise that new life together. Isn't it? You call that rape? Yeah, I heard that some feminists think all sex is rape. Are you one of those looney tunes?
Biology. People are fully capable of contributing the same to society barren or not. Killing a developing human life is not a 'blessing' it is a disaster. Birthing a human being is a blessing and with it comes the obligation to care for and raise a child.
Ahh... When you asked the question"You mean women who were born to make new life by their very biology have 'no obligation' to society at all?" I inferred that you held the position that women (being born to make new life by their very biology) have an obligation to society (to perform that function which is akin to the function of an incubator). I am happy to know that you do NOT believe women have an obligation to incubate the zygote/embryo/fetus they are carrying. Thank you. By the way, I am a man, and I am protective of my daughter so I have concerns when people like you believe you have the right to force a woman to have sex or to carry a baby against her will. No woman is obligated to do either, don't you agree?
If a woman is not 'healthy enough' or does not have the resources to raise a child then, why in the heck did they allow a penis into their vagina in the first place? I don't kill human fetuses or eat them...What a twisted argument.
A woman is not an incubator, I thought I made that very clear. Every human has an obligation to contribute to society and one of those obligations is (by our very biology) to create new human life. Otherwise you might as well live on a desert island. A zygote/embryo/fetus cannot be incubated and a woman is not an incubator. So...Your premise is bad. Maybe you forgot that an incubator is for a premature baby or a chicken egg. Please provide a quote where I said there is a 'right to force a woman to have sex or to carry a baby against her will'....<MOD EDIT - Rule 3 - Flamebait deleted>
You said (of women) "They kill a developing life so the burden is preempted." When you have veal you kill a developing life (the calf is already born but still developing). But we have not established if you are vegan (which would mean you are a lot more respectful of life than most people). Now I do not want to misinterpret you again, so I will ask... Are you saying that a woman who might not be healthy enough to carry a child or who is not wealthy enough to support a child should NEVER have sex? Or would sex be OK as long as she uses birth control? And what about the ones who do not realize they have a health problem until they become pregnant? It seems like you want the rest of the world to dance to your tune but your only moral authority is this vague "humans are obligated to reproduce" rule (which you have not yet supported with any evidence).
Bolding above, mine. The bolded is where you insist that if a woman doesn't produce offspring she mat as well live on a desert island. That is saying women have no purpose but to breed and produce kids. YOU: """Women are the ones who always say children are a burden and have no problem killing a developing human life. " YOU were the first poster here to mention "burden" in association with having children. And for you to insist that ALL women say that children are a burden (bolded in blue) is just ridiculous. Now sticking with your original point WHERE is the law/decree/mandate carved in stone instructions that say women have an obligation to reproduce? WHERE did you get that idea???
Absolutely not. - - - Updated - - - The human population should not be maintained, it should be reduced. There are too many people on the planet.
We are not discussing veal. But then, you pro-choicers see no difference I guess. NO!!! I NEVER said a woman should NEVER have sex...I said they need to be RESPONSIBLE and yes BC is one way but doesn't always work as shown by the sheer large volume of abortions. And YOU say women have absolutely no obligation to the developing life they are carrying and can summarily kill it for any reason whatsoever.
""""It seems like you want the rest of the world to dance to your tune but your only moral authority is this vague "humans are obligated to reproduce" rule (which you have not yet supported with any evidence""" Exactly....!!!!!
Bolded by me to indicate poster went from women are obligated to reproduce for society TO ""say women have absolutely no obligation to the developing life they are carrying and can summarily kill it for any reason whatsoever""" which WAS NOT what was being discussed.
You forgot to bold YOU. Obligation certainly WAS being discussed I brought it up. YOU brought up that women have no obligation at all. Stop trying to lie yet again.
Bolding above, mine to show poster's original point. Where is the proof that there is a law that say women have an obligation to society to reproduce. Provide proof or admit they do NOT.
