Why the Whining About the rise in Virus cases now?

You're faking it.

 

Worse than a global pandemic? When?

 

What good is living a long life if it can only be achieved by living in the equivalent of a locked cage?

 

You consider your home or wearing a mask in public to be comparable to a locked cage?

 

Already happening. Poking around shows armed protection of one's property and groups organizing to stop the crazies pawing at statues trying to erase history.
People being kept locked up in their homes is one goal of the anti Trumpers.

 

?? I don't know of any disagreement that an effective and broadly administered vaccine is likely to change best practices - is certainly strongly hoped to change best practices.

Do you have reason to disagree?

 

What you have is a preposterous conspiracy theory with zero evidence of any kind.

 

The objecive has been to flatten the curve and keep it flat. That can and has been termed "heading off the virus".

Let's remember that testing only indicates whether an individual is likely or unlikely to have COVID at the time of the test. Gathering that information obviously changes nothing.

So, suggesting that testing failed to do something beyond determining whether an individual is likely to be infected is just ridiclous.

What HAS failed is that there are still FAR to few test kits available to implement the testing based approaches to reducing the spread of this virus - approaches such as the one on whitehouse.gov.

So, that direction hasn't failed - it just hasn't been seriously attempted.

Don't tell me something failed when it wasn't even tried.

 

It's likely to go the other way.

That is, Europe is doing well enough that they appear ready to start allowing travel - but, plan to allow that only to countries with COVID under control, which they say would exclude America.

 

It's been pretty much entirely eradicated from New Zealand, and from most of Australia (one rogue state decided BLM protests were cool in a pandemic, and now they're trying to cover their arses by blaming migrants' lack of English). It can indeed be suppressed out of existence.

If someone is infected, but has zero contact with other people until the virus is no longer in their system .. what do you think happens to that particular virus load? It doesn't tunnel underground and wait out the drought. It's dead. Finished. Viruses aren't like bacteria, which can live on and on without a host. Viruses die in the host, and die without a host. That's our weapon against them.

 

Well, that's what America chose in deciding not to go hard. Why quibble now?

 

Mantra 22. What is "it"?

 

Mantra 22. "Flatten the curve" is nothing more than an undefined buzzword. It is meaningless and needs to be unambiguously defined in order to hold any meaning.

"Heading off" (in this case, covid-19) means to stop/block/prevent (in this case, the spread of covid-19). Since it has already spread around the whole world, it has not been "headed off".

Correct, so why are we freaking out about "testing" like never before?

Hahahahahahahaha, you have now just called YOUR OWN ARGUMENT "ridiculous", as suggesting that testing succeeded to do something beyond determining whether an individual is likely to be infected [aka 'the purpose of testing'] (such as "heading off a virus") is "just ridiculous" too, right?

It doesn't matter whether you have 1 test or 1 billion tests. Testing does not stop, nor reduce the spread of, a virus. Additionally, per the bolded above, this argument of yours is also "just ridiculous". You are still attempting to say that testing has indeed failed/succeeded in doing something beyond the purpose of testing.

Mantra 22. "Seriously attempted" is a meaningless buzzword. This makes me think of the Babylon Bee satirical article about "stepping on a rake"... "That wasn't REAL 'stepping on a rake'..." hahahaha .... and as described re the bolded above, you have already refuted yourself regarding this point.

Mantra 30 (bogus position assignment). I never said that it [whatever "it" is] wasn't tried. I said that testing does not stop (nor reduce the spread of) viruses, which aligns with your argument that is bolded above... YOU are the one attempting to argue (simultaneously) that testing does and doesn't have a purpose beyond determining whether an individual is likely to be infected. You are now stuck in paradox.

 

Nope. We already have weapons against them. They are known as immune systems and UV light.

 

I stand behind what I said. You're are just whining about terminology that you would like to ignore.

The reason that we can not execute on the plan for opening our economy as documented on Whitehouse.gov is that we do not have adequate testing.

It's totally justified to point out that our problem is that we dont have enough test capacity for testing strategies to be successful. Our failure at testing IS one component of the failure of the US to address COVID in a way that is even CLOSE to what Europe has done - for one comparison.

If you want to attack the whitehouse.gov plan, that is ENTIRELY on you.

But, until you do you don't have any justification for suggesting that testing isn't a major issue. Medical experts in contagious disease have pointed to our inadequate test production as a serious problem.

And, you have to admit that the testing and tracking plan as documented in whitehouse.gov has NOT failed - because it hasn't even been consistently attempted to the point where such an assessment could be made.

Just out of curiousity, why do you bother posting about COVID? Your smug chortles are a clear indication that your actual interest has nothing to do with COVID - so what DOES it have to do with?

 

This is why America is in the pickle it's in. This bizarre wish-thinking.

 

Do not inject UV-C light into your lungs if you get covid-19

 

Then you are refusing to clear your paradox. Thus, you are choosing to continue arguing irrationally.

No, I just want you to define the buzzwords that you are using. Argumentation based on buzzwords is not valid. Arguing a paradox is not rational.

An economy can be opened without testing. We've done it for thousands of years now... There is no need for the Whitehouse.gov plan.

Testing does not stop viruses.

Define "address" as you are using it here. Also, what has Europe done to "address" COVID that the USA has not done?

The whitehouse.gov plan is completely unnecessary. The fear mongering surrounding this virus is a complete hoax.

Testing does not stop viruses, plain and simple. There's nothing more to say about the matter. If "stopping/slowing the spread of the virus" is your main concern, then testing is irrelevant as it does not do those things. All testing does is what you said it did in your prior response. You've already refuted yourself on this point. You continue to argue irrationally on this point.

Mantras 4f, 22d, 35d, 37d, 39b... You cannot use "experts" as an authoritative source, a title of nobility, a way of appealing to popularity, nor as a proof.

Mantra 39g. Repetition is not a proof.

Irrelevant.

Psychoquackery. Irrelevant.

 

Immune systems kill viruses. UV light kills viruses. You continue to deny science.

 

You don't know science, in general, or in specific.

One of the things you're rejecting is a hundred years old.

 

Don't consume fish tank cleaner either... Don't drink methanol, isopropyl alcohol, hydrogen peroxide, etc. either...

But your lame attempt at humor misses the point. UV light kills viruses. So does one's immune system.

 

Oh I did not miss the point, but the point is insufficient for a very significant percentage of the population who require hospitalization, intensive care, and ultimately die from covid-19.

 

A fraction of a fraction of a percent of the population is not statistically significant.

Nobody dies from covid-19. They instead die from pneumonia.

You continue to fear monger.

 

Covid-19 is a vascular disease and causes a whole host of problems above and beyond pneumonia.

Of those who feel symptoms from covid-19, roughly 15% will need hospitalization and of those, roughly 5% will die. That ratio is similar to ebola. That is extremely significant.

 

No one has claimed that it does.

But what it DOES do, is identify those who need to be quarantined. Which, you know ...... stops the virus.