Why White People Aren't Having Kids

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  1. redeemer216

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    I don't think your assumptions are correct that the "free college education" plans would just be writing a blank check. This is a gross oversimplification. Of course the cost must be addressed. If you are really concerned read over the plans and ask the candidates for clarification, or even better make suggestions. If there are other plans out there to lower the costs of education read about them and ask. Don't just assume it does something because "that's what it sounds like". People are so consumed with cover over substance it's ridiculous and this is a perfect example.

    I agree that it is more of a "wealthy person" problem than anything else, but especially from the left with all the identity politics going on, there has been a lot of vitriol coming directly towards white people and it could be possible that some of the cultural ramifications are playing more of a part than you think. Not to say those leftists have no argument at all, but identity politics has proven to be a disaster.
     
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    Germany has free universities, the same in France or Italy. Yet those countries have low birth rate, France has the most babies, but even if there is no official statistics on that, it's not because of white people.
     
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    You've over simplified. It's not just about resources, it's about quantity vs quality and the strategy required to access those resources. Our nation's wealth is a function of the complexity of our production of resources. Those resources aren't just laying around like grass. We have to make them using complex high level tasks, not just throw lots of bodies at the problem like we used to when we were clawing potatoes out if the ground.

    This level of skill request a much higher investment in our children to reproduce it. Hence the trend away from r towards K. Of course there's also the impact to r selection that abortion has. A cynic might think abortion was a K strategists attempt to reduce r selected competition.
     
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    Birth control pills in the drinking water. It comes from the pee of whomever is on them. As far as I know, there is no filter system on water for these things. No one checks the levels in our drinking water. Some folks get their drinking water from streams or rivers which also tend to be an overflow for systems which cannot handle a surge in waste. Yes, it's all cleaned up from bacteria and so forth, but there isn't anything done about the chemicals in medications. It's likely there is some trace, at least, in the water. It doesn't take much to mess up the reproductive system. I'd be glad to read someone's study refuting my opinion. Until then, I'm going with this.

    Probably also the ease and acceptance of abortion has something to do with this, too. Millions of pregnancies are terminated every year. It's possible that this could also have an effect on white population. It certainly has one on the black population. They even claim it's white conspiracy trying to rid themselves of blacks.
     
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    I said I couldn't post my thoughts on the disease of racism in here, this forum....telling racist what they are is violating the rules.


    I'll enjoy the panic and fear of those who think white people will disappear in a puff of smoke any second now...



    BTW, did you have a solution for this Terrible Occurrence ..? :)
     
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    For civilization. Currently, high functioning people are not replicating and low functioning people are replicating at high rates. It is impossible to run a 1st world country without a ton of very high functioning people who can handle exceedingly complex cognitive tasks. If current trends continue eventually there will no longer exist enough high functioners to prop up the infrastructure and THEN people will begin to die in the billions and evolution will crop up again. I wouldn't worry about it too much though, we all will be dead long before that happens.

    I have been in embedded software engineering for the past 25 years. I am currently working on a rather complex project with three young outside engineers. As I have been supervising the project I have noticed a dramatic downward shift in quality from these engineers. These three are unable to accomplish in four months what the previous older engineer could accomplish in one. It has been very frustrating for me. The problem appears to be systemic and is explained in the following article. Don't delude yourself, lose your engineering and you lose the ability to feed billions.

    https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2019/02/the-decline-of-american-science-and-engineering/
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Depressing for whom?




    Are you saying that only white people can be competent engineers?



    """I wouldn't worry about it too much though, we all will be dead long before that happens."""


    I don't, that would be the OP who seems to be worried. I am neither worried nor depressed.


    I don't think society is depressed over engineering...heck, lots of "society" don't even care if they breathe clean air or have clean water to drink..
     
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    Ha! Most of the world will probably be pretty happy at the news.
     
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    Do you really think that universities are going to reduce tuitions because the government would be paying tuitions ??

    Who is addressing the cost of education by putting forth a plan that results in fewer college administrators ??

    Substance is very real to a college graduate who has a practically worthless degree in minority studies but has a $50,000 student loan debt to pay off.
     
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    How much does a college education cost in Germany, France, and Italy. BTW those countries have very high taxation rates and energy prices.
     
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    Curious because the disintegration of the black nuclear family is blamed by many black leaders for the high crime rates in the black population.
     
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    For sure. Children, especially boys, also need positive male role models.
     
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    It should be a little depressing for the other races in America. The peer reviewed science is pretty clear on this. In order from most racist to least racist we have Blacks, Asians, Hispanics, White Conservatives and finally White Liberals (who are actually bigoted against whites). You should note that Asians are on the top of privilege chain in America and they are one of the fastest growing demographics. They hold an enormous amount of corporate power and it is growing every year. They are starting to dominate in America just as Asian countries are dominating on the world stage. Frankly the future for the world appears to be Asian. This should not be surprising, they have some of the greatest and longest lived civilizations to ever exist (going back many millennia). They utterly lack Asian guilt and will have no qualms about quashing other groups as they gain political power (as demonstrated in most Asian countries today). As whites lose political power and are demographically replaced, the ability to oppress minorities will fall on to groups with no guilt to give.... that bodes badly for all of the out groups.

    Frankly no place on earth comes close to treating out groups better than white 1st world nations. This is the reason that immigrants from all races are desperate to get into white 1st world nations.

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    Minor point - I don't think Asians have privilege. They are more successful because they earn it even though affirmative action policies actually discriminate against them. Asians IMO have a cultural advantage.
     
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    Sorry, despite all your hard work, it's a non-issue for me...

    ….and I haven't seen a solution yet...I think what the OP thinks would be a solution would be interesting rather than "the sky is falling, white people may not bein control, the sky is falling"
     
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    Wow, what a bunch of paranoid crackpottery!!! Other races will follow the same pattern. It is mainly a function of wealth and religious brainwashing, not race.
     
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    Andrew Yang has probably said something about that.
    No, of course not. You'd have to have a form of cost control + negotiation You also have to reduce some of what is causing those high costs. Look, maybe instead of saying these things, perhaps make suggestions on the solutions current candidates or reps already have put into the political sphere. I guess you'd rather ask hand wavy overly assuming questions like
    not contributing to the solution whatsoever, instead of looking at the only solutions currently in politics and making suggestions, which well we haven't even had that until fairly recently, at least anything that's had any popular support. It's also obvious you didn't even read my previous post when you ask questions like that in response.

    I completely agree, certain majors HAVE to be prioritized over others. It's already difficult to get into certain engineering programs. Make it free for the ones who get in and make the programs more competitive across the board. Reward engineering students for pursuing these degrees as engineering is the backbone of industry. In fact make every college program more difficult to get into across the board. Applications should be accepted based on projections of job availability as well.

    We also need to highly prioritize technical schools and doing actual aptitude testing in high school instead of only preparing students for university as seems to be the majority case. Huge numbers of people who probably should be in the trades are trading their lives away getting a degree that isn't going to do anything for them. These kinds of approaches are why I was so excited that people like Andrew Yang were running for president. Even if he has no chance of winning at least he's bringing these types of ideas to the table to the people who do.
     
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    From your story it seems hiring practices may be devolving too, possibly because of the current culture. I know I'm just projecting but I have had similar experiences where an outside engineer that is so obviously completely incompetent, is for some reason kept on their team, or hired in the first place. Maybe it's lack of competent engineers in the field, maybe it's partially affirmative action. I just don't know. But also could be a fluke. Good for you staying in the field for 25 years. Even though I'm good at it, I'm beginning to realize it's not for me, maybe partially because of things you just described but mostly because I don't like the stress of deadlines and everything that comes with it.
     
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    I don't think there is really a one big hand wavy solution as wealth is the main player. But there is also a cultural player, ie identity politics. That backlash has already been going on for awhile now and has had an effect, maybe not to the topic at hand, idk.

    There is also just plain education and discussion as a (major) solution. Hence the thread. If you think the video is pure propaganda, wouldn't you want a chance to discuss it somewhere else besides the youtube comment section.

    Anyways, continue on.
     
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    What has Andrew Yang said ???

    Why aren’t universities required to co sign student loans ??

    Thomas Sowell, Bill Bennet, and Bryan Kaplan have written extensively on the worth of college degrees and how to reduce cost of education. The first step is to identify the costs using for example a pie chart and the looking for savings in the high % areas. You can’t get a pie chart out of universities however. They are hiding where the money goes. Why has the cost of administration skyrocketed ?? Why do some schools have one administrator for every 4 students ???
     
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    Well, the first can be easily answered with some googling "Andrew Yang cost of education". Second: Agreed, Third: Good question. 4th: Good question

    Read the plans. Make suggestions.
     
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    I've had four kids does someone need some good sperm?
     
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    You can’t summarize ??
     
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    As far as I know, in germany, around 1000 euros a year, in France, you can get things for 100-200 euros for the faculté, Italy, I don't really know.
    If you're poor enough in France, you don't pay anything.
    By the way, you still have to pay for the food, the shelter, even if there is governmental housing. The quality highly depend of the city, I was once in one which was good, and visited some of other friends which were extremly small but comfortable.
    Even, without speaking of college education, there is a lot of post school education you can make for free in France.
     

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