Why would Christians want LGBTQ people removed from an anti lynching bill?

I'm sure you can find info on how the Church of Latter Day Saints is struggling with science. There are Gay Mormons. Just like pope Francis, the Mormons are evolving and getting ready to join many Protestant denominations in accepting gay marriage/ gay clergy.

 

Jeannette, this nothing more than a ploy to invent an "issue", where none exists. There are anti-murder laws in the several States, counties, towns, hamlets, etc in these United States of America, there are even General government laws against murder. Then again, this is the MSM and many other media outlets in this country. I say, that there should be laws in the several Specific States, counties, towns, hamlets, etc, for inciting unnecessary alarm among the general and specific members of the public; it can be written in such a manner as to not violate freedom of speech and expression.

 

I figured as much, I posted what I did as to thwart those who seek to use wedge issues unnecessarily.

 

True. But she’s hated more by the right because of her atheism, selfishness, and admiration of man as a hero. Her vision of man is a heroic being standing tall and proud a pedestal, not a suffering martyr on a cross.

 

Germany, hell I believe in Scotland you will find fascists all over. Fascists may or may not believe in religion. Antifa, here in the US are brute ugly thugs. They hate legal beliefs and if you speak, they will show up in force and try to beat out of you, your beliefs. Our media loves the Antifa but hates the guts of most religions.

 

This is the bill.

"...applies to lynchings motivated by a victim’s “actual or perceived religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability.”​

The bill was brought up by blacks who have suffered lynchings. I don't know of any LGBTQ having been lynched - but then again I wouldn't be surprised if they had been since they are militant when it comes to propagating their life style. Many do so even when they know that it's offensive to the majority of the population.

In contrast to the LGBTQ, the others in the bill would be passive victims, in that they didn't have an intent to offend anyone's sensibilities and were being prosecuted for an assumed crime because of their color, and/or for their nationality, religious faith or disability.

Anyway this doesn't mean I'm imposing anything on anyone, but why offend?

 

Heck, my church had to outlaw polygamy to be a state. So why is polygamy so reviled. I expect homosexuals by the tens of thousands revile polygamy.

 

Open your eyes, Jeannette

 

Thank you for the actual proposed law. As I say, when you want laws, call on Democrats. They have a love affair with creating laws. Why? To gain more and more control over individuals. Same way Communism is to control the masses, so too that is the goal of Democrats. Yes, as I believed, this is a Democrats law created in 2009 and supported by Erik Holder.

https://www.justice.gov/crt/matthew-shepard-and-james-byrd-jr-hate-crimes-prevention-act-2009-0

 

People shouldn't be lynched. You will protect all people by simply saying people. The need to list categories of people the law protects means the law is not designed to protect all citizens. For instance, disallowing lynching for political stance isn't listed. Is it ok to lynch people of certain political stances?

 

Actually our beliefs are rooted in science. Things said by other churches are not part of our belief system. So we do not struggle with science. As to my church welcoming homosexuals, perhaps it will happen. But we do not join other groups. We are more advanced by far than they are.

When my homosexual brother lived, I never heard him speak of gays. But he did comment on homosexuals.

 

I truly admire Ayn Rand and of course should you ask the forum, I am hard core right.

But when I took the political compass test, which is not biased, I show up 1 click right --1 click up and am pretty much a centrist.

About my church and Rand

A prophet, an atheist and a frontierswoman are being honored at the Library of Congress.

No, it is not the tee-up for a joke — rather, the unusual pairing is part of the Library of Congress’ “America Reads” exhibit, highlighting books and authors that have shaped America.

Among the 40 titles nominated by the public, Ayn Rand’s “The Fountainhead” ranked first in votes. Fittingly, the Book of Mormon — a book that “came forth” — also came fourth on the list.

Far more than “The Fountainhead,” however, the Book of Mormon exudes America’s unique brand of individual communitarianism, which still informs the best of our national identity today.

 

If the Russian people, or if any people do not want gay parades, then why are you imposing gay parades on them? I mean that would be the same thing as terrorists imposing sharia law on us.

But they're going against Christianity since Christianity emphasizes the soul/spirit, and those denominations are indulging the flesh.

You're forgetting your government is supporting these terrorists - as is France, Britain, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar, Israel and Jordon. Maybe you should pay attention as to what we're doing in that part of the world, and why we are hated.

Anyway about the gay being thrown off a roof, it was publicized, as have been the attacks on the Yemenis. What has not being publicized are the 300 Christians killed each day by terrorists - mostly in the Far East and Africa but in Syria as well.

 

Your beliefs are the exact opposite of science.
Christians cannot even follow their own religious texts honestly.

Gays are evil because of a single passage that wasn’t even referencing modern monogamous gay couples but voting for a corrupt bankrupt adulturous billionare (four things mentioned numerous times in the Bible) is ok.

The only reason I hope heaven is real is so I can see some of these people in hell.
Maybe trump will be a better leader there.

 

Nationalists are supremacists which is the antithesis of Christianity since humility is a perquisite. By Nationalism I don't mean patriotism which is a love of home and country. The Nazis could not be Christians since they glorified themselves and what they are rather than God and that is paganism. They made themselves gods and offended God with their crooked cross (swastika).

Hitler's emphasized the triumph of man's will, not God's will which he considered a weakness. His greatest hatred was the Catholic Church and all Christianity - as did the Soviets and all the ideologues who want to remake the world in their own image.

Of course they're not the same. How can they be the same when there's a growth factor. It's like saying a first grade student has the same knowledges as a college grad. Fundamentalists are spiritually immature, while some Orthodox Saints reached a level where they could exist in two realms (dimensions), this one and a heavenly one at the same time.

 

Probably because people like you will interpret "gender, sexual orientation, gender identity" as only applicable to the "LGBTQ people".

 

You sugar-coat Christian atrocities. Don't forget the centuries of battles between Christians, the beheadings and burning people at the stake. Lutherans officially apologized for the hundreds of deaths of Baptists during the 17th/ 18th centuries. If one didn't believe a certain doctrine then they could be put to death. The treatment of Jews by Christians was genocide.

 

None of which is supported by the doctrine of the bible. I wouldn't blame Christianity for the behavior of Christians that directly contradicts their biblical doctrine. I would blame those Christians who engaged in the behavior.

 

Exactly and illustrates the total suspension of the Gospel via evangelical support of Trump

 

If you're a human being you're already included in all federal laws -- many times even if you're a no good border basher not even a citizen. But if the LBGT want a special mention and special treatment above others, it doesn't bother me.

 

Doesn't Christianity preach the sacrifice of the good for the bad? Doesn't Christianity place a psychological crown of thorns on every innocent birth? And doesn't Christianity worship the torture, mutilation, and desecration of the innocent for the salvation of the guilty? Nothing to be proud of there. Nothing to brag about either. Actually, it's rather sinful in this modern world of scientific achievement and technological progress that this Dark Age barbaric rubbish is still preached as truth. Its time has passed, as with all superstitious, mystical, religious nonsense. It is time to return to the Age of Reason, and create an even more wonderous, marvelous Age of Enlightenment, the Age of Man.

Or as stated by Ayn Rand: "Christ, in terms of the Christian philosophy, is the human ideal. He personifies that which men should strive to emulate. Yet, according to the Christian mythology, he died on the cross not for his own sins but for the sins of the nonideal people. In other words, a man of perfect virtue was sacrificed for men who are vicious and who are expected or supposed to accept that sacrifice. If I were a Christian, nothing could make me more indignant than that: the notion of sacrificing the ideal to the nonideal, or virtue to vice. And it is in the name of that symbol that men are asked to sacrifice themselves for their inferiors. That is precisely how the symbolism is used.--http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/religion.html

It is not in the nature of man—nor of any living entity—to start out by giving up, by spitting in one’s own face and damning existence; that requires a process of corruption, whose rapidity differs from man to man. Some give up at the first touch of pressure; some sell out; some run down by imperceptible degrees and lose their fire, never knowing when or how they lost it. Then all of these vanish in the vast swamp of their elders who tell them persistently that maturity consists of abandoning one’s mind; security, of abandoning one’s values; practicality, of losing self-esteem. Yet a few hold on and move on, knowing that that fire is not to be betrayed, learning how to give it shape, purpose and reality. But whatever their future, at the dawn of their lives, men seek a noble vision of man’s nature and of life’s potential."--http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/man-worship.html

 

What I tell you are FACTS

Jim (deceased) was a very active church member. Jim was my next younger brother. Jim was a devoted homosexual. I doubt he told the Bishop he was a homosexual.

Bob also deceased was married to my sister. Though he had 4 surviving daughters, he too was a devoted homosexual. When he and Sis divorced, she told me they had sex 5 times and she had 5 girls with one dying not long after birth but the rest surviving. Bob did find himself being excommunicated though later he came back. He died living with a man who too was homosexual. By the time Bob died, he was retired.

So to claim my church is not accepting of them is just wrong.

Examine the LDS church by actually attending several times. You can get a lot more details by simply seeing if they are like you claim.

By the way, we do not speak of Hell that I ever heard.

I have remarked on this to long standing attending members and they agree with me.

Why might this be? Because upon death we explain those dying are located on one of 3 levels of what GOD supplies to us all. Even you will at least be on the lowest level called Terrestrial even if you do not believe. Two higher levels can be achieved though. Check it out.

 

Take my cousin Phil. Phil is a very devout Mormon. His mother and my father were brother and sister. They passed away.

Phil spent his entire working life as an engineer. There is no way he did not believe in science. His training was in science. He also managed a large group of engineers. And he worked in top security for his working life. His company sent him all over this planet. And he recruited engineers from various universities. His work was in science. Leading edge science in the defense industry.

His father was until he retired a major executive for Coca Cola. No doubt Coca Cola does not believe science is wrong.

Danny who was also a church member also happened to die due to drugs in his system, found dead on the concrete entrance to a hospital. Cops believe he was dumped there. He was a more distant family member to me than was Phil. Danny had multiple degrees with some in science.

I do not understand, given all the scientists whom are also church members how a claim we do not believe in science could be levied against us.

 

What about the equal protection clause? This means each of us is the equal of others. Why try to make homosexuals to be a particular unique case?

 

Mormons know what it was like to be victimized in the US. You should be able to relate to how Gay/ Lesbian have felt.