Will the big red wave just be a ripple?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Patricio Da Silva, Aug 25, 2022.

  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2020
    Messages:
    31,853
    Likes Received:
    17,227
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    GOP as an abortion problem. With all the extreme voting laws being enacted in some states, doctors are afraid to give life saving care to women whose circumstance might result in a doctor having to defend his actions in court, so they are refusing.

    Women Face Risks as Doctors Struggle With Medical Exceptions on Abortion
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/20/us/abortion-save-mothers-life.html

    HOUSTON — Dr. Amanda Horton, an obstetrician who specializes in high-risk pregnancies, had been counseling pregnant patients at a small hospital in rural Texas last month when a woman arrived in crisis: It was only 17 weeks into her pregnancy and her water had broken.

    The fetus would not be viable outside the womb, and without the protection of the amniotic sac, the woman was vulnerable to an infection that could threaten her life. In Colorado or Illinois, states where Dr. Horton also practices and where abortion is generally legal, there would have been an option to end her pregnancy.

    Texas has a ban on most abortions, providing an exception when a woman’s life is threatened. But the patient’s life in this case was not in immediate danger — yet. The hospital sent her home to wait for signs of infection or labor, Dr. Horton said. Worried and with nowhere else to turn, the woman instead traveled hundreds of miles to New Mexico for an abortion. “She ended up taking matters into her own hands,” Dr. Horton said. Her patient, she said, made a choice “for her life.”

    Each of the 13 states with bans on abortions allows for some exemption to save the life of the mother or to address a serious risk of “substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function.”


    The problem is that many doctors just don't want to take a chance and are refusing life saving care in dire circumstances. Voters are finding out about this kind of thing and are saying 'enough'.

    Voters are getting a sense that Republicans have gone too far, especially with the repeal of Roe v Wade. I personally don't think republicans understand the gravity of that repeal in terms of the fact that many women will most likely sign up to vote, those who didn't participate in elections in the past.

    It's having an effect, make no mistake. Maybe repubs will still win the house, but not as much as they should, given how history has panned out in midterms, and there is talk that dems might still keep the senate, even McConnell was complaining about some of the poor candidates who were successful at winning primaries, but might lose the general which tends to elect the more moderate choices.

    So, we shall see what happens, methinks this red wave hoopla is no longer 'in the bag' as they thought it was several months ago.

    GOP scrambles to unify as ‘red wave’ hits obstacles
    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3596119-gop-scrambles-to-unify-as-red-wave-hits-obstacles/

    Republicans are looking for a new sense of unity amid concerns that recent infighting, a series of divisive primaries and several high-profile Democratic political victories could erode what should otherwise be a promising chance at recapturing the House and Senate majorities this year.

    Despite GOP leaders’ push to make the 2022 midterm elections a referendum on Democrats’ handling of everything from inflation to immigration, a messier picture has unfolded in recent weeks. High-profile primaries have yielded some deeply polarizing Republican nominees, while the party has been consumed by debates over the best way to counter Democrats’ recent political wins.
     
    Last edited: Aug 25, 2022
    Hey Now likes this.
  2. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2016
    Messages:
    28,141
    Likes Received:
    19,387
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Reps imposing abortion laws certainly helps the left, but the results Dems are producing helps the right. Abortion laws affect those with a uterus in their child bearing years while the other affects everyone. It may not be enough.
     
  3. PPark66

    PPark66 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2018
    Messages:
    3,416
    Likes Received:
    2,314
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Actually the Abortion laws affect the largest voting block in the US and not just those in child bearing years. It’s viewed quite broadly: a patriarchal assault on their rights. An issue that sits above all others, autonomy. The only wave occurring this cycle is voter registration with women leading the way.

    Creating a coherent R-narrative is going to be challenging less unforeseen catastrophic errors or events.
     
    Last edited: Aug 26, 2022
    Patricio Da Silva and Rampart like this.
  4. btthegreat

    btthegreat Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2010
    Messages:
    16,405
    Likes Received:
    7,070
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The senate is going to be close either way. I don't see how Dems avoid losing the House.
     
  5. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    92,436
    Likes Received:
    73,910
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Anyone who has studies abortion legislation on the global stage could have predicted this. Especially after what happened in Ireland and Argentina. The GOP though has vested years in “God Guns and Abortion” as a central platform. Well, it should have rethought that some years ago as “God” is less popular with the younger generation, Guns are losing their attraction more and more with every mass shooting and now they have abolished RvW they are acting like the dog that caught the car
     
    Patricio Da Silva likes this.
  6. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    92,436
    Likes Received:
    73,910
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Don’t under estimate how pissed women are
     
    Patricio Da Silva likes this.
  7. btthegreat

    btthegreat Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2010
    Messages:
    16,405
    Likes Received:
    7,070
    Trophy Points:
    113
    A senate seat cannot be gerry-mandered. A house seat inevitably is.
     
    Bowerbird likes this.
  8. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2013
    Messages:
    41,172
    Likes Received:
    20,952
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    This is generally true, and it's especially problematic that doctors feel they can't operate on vulnerable women, for fear of their own freedom. For those who are pro-choice, but moderately life leaning(such as myself.) it shows that the clause "rape/incest/threat to the mother's life" is not enough on its own. What we need is a protective clause for medical practitioners, period. Only then, can women get access to the tools that they need.

    Generally, most people agree that third-trimester abortions are off limits, and since there's a majority consensus I feel we can put that line and that most people would be comfortable with that.
     
    btthegreat and Bowerbird like this.
  9. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    92,436
    Likes Received:
    73,910
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    The really stupid part is that third trimester abortions are almost invariably done for foetal abnormality usually incompatible with life. If a woman has carried a child over 24 weeks it is almost invariably a WANTED pregnancy. Third term abortions are usually because something has gone horribly terribly wrong
     
  10. Rampart

    Rampart Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2017
    Messages:
    7,880
    Likes Received:
    7,053
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    senate seats are structurally gerrymandered. most of the population lives in a few, mostly democratic states, leaving the rest of the senators to represent the deer and the antelope and such.
     
  11. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2020
    Messages:
    31,853
    Likes Received:
    17,227
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    It affects the men in the women's lives, and every man who will soon to be the man in some women's life, as well, but of course, you forgot about that.

    Results?

    You mean like where Biden...

    Signed the Inflation Reduction Act
    President Biden signed the Inflation Reduction Act to bring down costs, reduce the deficit, and take aggressive action on climate – all paid for by making sure the largest corporations and billionaire tax cheats finally pay their fair share in taxes.

    This historic legislation lowers health care costs for millions of families and allows Medicare to negotiate drug prices for the first time. The Inflation Reduction Act caps seniors’ out-of-pocket spending for prescription drugs at $2,000 per year and ensures no senior on Medicare will pay over $35 per month for insulin. Under the law, 13 million Americans, covered under the Affordable Care Act, will see their health insurance premiums reduced by $800.

    The Inflation Reduction Act also takes aggressive action to combat the existential crisis of climate change. These historic clean energy investments will help families save hundreds of dollars every year on their energy bills while strengthening our energy security, creating jobs, and getting us closer to meeting our climate goals.

    All of this is paid for by establishing a minimum corporate tax to ensure that the wealthiest corporations finally start to pay their fair share, and cracking down on billionaire tax cheats – without increasing audit rates or raising taxes on those making under $400,000 a year by one cent. President Biden promised to make the government work for working families again and that’s exactly what this law does.

    Improved health care for veterans
    President Biden has long said that it is our sacred obligation to prepare and equip those we send to war and to take care of them and their families when they come home.

    As president, he has worked to ensure we make good on this sacred obligation and has signed multiple bipartisan bills to honor and improve care for veterans.

    In his first State of the Union address, President Biden called on Congress to pass legislation to make sure veterans impacted by toxic exposures and their families get the comprehensive care and benefits they earned and deserve. In August of 2022, President Biden signed the PACT Act – the largest single bill to address our service members’ exposure to burn pits and other toxins in American history.

    Signed the CHIPS and Science Act
    President Biden signed landmark legislation into law that will accelerate semiconductor manufacturing in the United States. The CHIPS and Science Act will help lower the cost of everyday goods, strengthen American manufacturing and innovation, create good-paying jobs, and bolster our national security.

    The CHIPS and Science Act will help us compete with China by bringing manufacturing jobs back to America. The law makes historic investments in research and development to accelerate the industries of the future and advance U.S. technological leadership.

    Thanks to President Biden’s Made In America strategy, the United States has created hundreds of thousands of new manufacturing jobs and businesses are investing in new manufacturing lines across the country. The CHIPS and Science Act makes smart investments in manufacturing and research to build on this historic progress and set America up to win the economic competition for the 21st century.

    Took historic action to address the gun violence epidemic
    President Biden brought together Democrats and Republicans to pass the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act, breaking a 30-year streak of federal inaction on gun violence legislation. The legislation took important steps, including requiring people under 21 to undergo enhanced background checks, closing the “boyfriend loophole,” and providing funding to address youth mental health.

    President Biden has moved decisively to combat gun violence – issuing dozens of executive orders and signing the most significant gun violence reduction legislation to pass Congress in 30 years.

    President Biden has launched a whole-of-government approach to make our communities safer and issued more executive orders to reduce gun violence in his first year than any other President at the same point in their administration. In July of 2022, Steve Dettelbach, President Biden’s nominee for director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, became the first Senate-confirmed director of the agency in more than 7 years.

    Early on in his administration, President Biden took on the gun lobby to rein in the proliferation of ghost guns. The Biden administration acted to ban the manufacture of ghost gun kits and make it illegal to sell ghost guns without a background check.

    Restored American leadership on the world stage
    Under the previous administration, confidence in U.S. leadership around the world plummeted to historic lows. Since taking office, President Biden has worked to revitalize our alliances and restore America’s position of leadership on the global stage.

    When Russia launched an unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, President Biden rallied our allies across the globe to ensure Vladimir Putin pays a steep economic price for his unjustified war of aggression.

    Thanks to President Biden’s leadership, international confidence in the United States has sharply increased. America is back, and our alliances are stronger than ever.

    Ended America’s longest war
    After more than 20 years of conflict spanning three previous administrations, President Biden acted decisively to bring our troops home from Afghanistan. Resolute in his commitment not to send another generation of America’s daughters and sons to fight in Afghanistan, President Biden ended our nation’s longest war.

    President Biden promised that we’d continue to conduct effective counterterrorism operations in Afghanistan without American troops on the ground. In August of 2022, the United States successfully carried out an airstrike in Kabul, Afghanistan, that killed Ayman al-Zawahiri, who was a key architect behind the 9/11 attacks and Osama bin Laden’s successor as head of Al Qaeda.

    In acting to withdraw U.S. troops from Afghanistan, President Biden ended an era of major military operations to remake other countries and refocused our national security efforts on the threats of today – not the threats of 2001.

    Took action to address gender-based violence
    In 1994, then-Senator Biden authored the Violence Against Women Act which provided legal protection against domestic violence and sexual assault for 28 years until it was allowed to expire under the Trump administration.

    As President, Joe Biden broke through two years of Republican obstruction and signed legislation in March 2022 to reauthorize and strengthen the Violence Against Women Act.

    Thanks to President Biden’s leadership, the Violence Against Women Act is now reauthorized through 2027 and includes new provisions to expand legal services for survivors and support underserved communities.

    President Biden also signed historic legislation ending forced arbitration of sexual assault and sexual harassment, protecting survivors and making it safer to report harassment in the workplace.

    Passed the American Rescue Plan
    President Biden signed the American Rescue Plan (ARP) Act into law, an unprecedented $1.9 trillion package that helped combat COVID-19 and supercharge a historic economic recovery.

    The American Rescue Plan:

    Helped get over 500 million shots in arms, distribute millions of therapeutics, and dramatically expand testing capabilities. Over two-thirds of Americans are vaccinated against COVID-19 thanks to the American Rescue Plan.

    Delivered needed relief to families by sending over 160 million checks to Americans, expanding food and rental assistance, and providing aid to thousands of small businesses. The expanded Child Tax Credit led to the largest-ever one-year decrease in childhood poverty in American history.

    Safely reopened America’s schools and made a historic investment to tackle learning loss and address mental health. Today, over 99% of schools are open for in-person learning. Before the ARP, only 46% of schools were open in-person.


    OH, so you want to blame inflation on Biden? Well, then explain why there is an equal amount of inflation world wide, and in Brazil, whose president is Bolsanaro, who is the Brazilian carbon copy of Trump?

    The pandemic forced many countries to enact stimulus bills. Without them, they faced a serious drop in demand for goods and services, which would, in turn, cause a massive deflation and people with no money. To prevent this, the stimulus packages prevent it. Thing is, there is no way to know what is the right amount, so nations tended to reason that too much is better than not enough, well, the world did this and the predictable result is inflation.

    Therefore, inflation is ULTIMATELY due to the pandemic. You can't blame the pandemic on any one, except, perhaps, CHINA.

    So don't give me any crap about 'result' because the RESULT IS SAVING THE WORLD'S ECONOMIES.

    Inflation is just the price, but the alternative would have been worse, and then you would have been whining about that. Right?

    Complain complain complain, but God forbid you look at the legislation accomplishments of Biden, WHICH BLOWS TRUMP AWAY and he did it in his first 18 months of office.

    TRump paid lip service to getting and infrastructure bill, he couldn't get it done

    Trump paid lip service to getting out of Afghanistan, but he couldn't get it done.

    Well, Trump did give a massive tax break to himself and his cronies.

    Trump did get his son in law $500,000,000 bailout from QATAR

    Trump did get his son in law $2,000,000,000 from the Saudis.

    Trump did get his daughter millions of dollars worth of trademarks from China whereupon she was able to sell products, made in China, to china, for millions and millions in profits.

    Trump did manage to bill the American taxpayer to the tune of $16,000,000 for his entourage stays at his hotels and resorts.

    Trump did manage to get the tone of the nation raised to a fever pitch were Republicans and Democrats are at each other throats, where Republicans are giving death threats to election officials, judges, and any republican who isn't supporting Trump, and cause hate crimes to rise.

    https://www.newsweek.com/hate-crimes-under-trump-surged-nearly-20-percent-says-fbi-report-1547870

    Trump did manage to get the Supreme Court way way way out of whack with the values of the electorate, evidence is they repealed Roe v Wade, which is causing women to suffer across america (see the OP in this thread).

    And you (if not you, repubs in general) want to talk about Hunter Biden? Well get this, Hunter Biden never held a public office. So who gives a damn? Both Ivanka and Jared DID. And there is NO evidence that Joe got any quid pro quo commissions from any of Hunter's business deals.

    But, go ahead, keep on saying the glass is half empty, because that is what you are good at.
     
    Last edited: Aug 26, 2022
  12. ECA

    ECA Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2018
    Messages:
    32,269
    Likes Received:
    15,808
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I would like to see enough of a red wave for the Repubs to take control of either the house or senate. No party should ever control congress and WH
     
  13. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2020
    Messages:
    31,853
    Likes Received:
    17,227
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Except that the Constitution has gerrymandered (in a sense) the senate, there are more rural states than urban states, and thus the 50/50 Senate, well, the Dem side has 40,000,000 more constituents than the Repub side, not to mention the lax filibuster rules, which means the votes in the Senate favor the minority. Thank the framers of the constitution for this, who could not have predicted the imbalance 200 years in the future.
     
    Last edited: Aug 26, 2022
    btthegreat likes this.
  14. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2020
    Messages:
    31,853
    Likes Received:
    17,227
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The congress should reflect the values of the electorate, but due to the imbalance in the Supreme Court and the Senate, that will never happen until these things are corrected.
     
  15. perotista

    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2014
    Messages:
    16,961
    Likes Received:
    5,713
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    There isn’t a red wave brewing. Going by today’s numbers the Democrats are poised to gain 2-3 senate seats, 3-4 governorships and lose around 18-20 house seats. Considering that Biden approval is in the low 40’s, even losing control of the house, that is a great win for the democrats if today’s numbers hold through to November. The average historical loss for a president’s party with their president overall job approval around 40% is 48.5 house seats, 6 senate seats and 5 governorships.


    The main reason for no red wave or the failure of the GOP to meet historical standards this midterm, is in my opinion Trump. Independents still don’t like Trump, they hesitant to vote for his endorsed candidate or vote for candidates of a Trump led party. Trump has turned out to be the Democrats largest asset this election cycle.
     
  16. Hey Now

    Hey Now Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2021
    Messages:
    17,581
    Likes Received:
    13,992
    Trophy Points:
    113
    In a nut shell, the future of people's freedom and rights lie with women and that's the simple truth. Women must vote for their interests as it aligns with and protects everything else.
     
    Patricio Da Silva likes this.
  17. Collateral Damage

    Collateral Damage Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2012
    Messages:
    10,535
    Likes Received:
    8,149
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Anyone who believes that the topic of abortion is going to be 'the' decision making topic, isn't paying attention to the real world.

    States banning abortion are idiots. The entire country is sucking wind as the economy flounders, and the Inflation Reduction Act is a misnomer of epic proportions, along with the latest and greatest slap in working people's faces, paying for other people's student loans.

    It is going to be interesting to watch, and easy to tell, those that think one one channel, instead of the whole picture.
     
  18. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2017
    Messages:
    45,656
    Likes Received:
    26,745
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    If you don't think abortion restrictions affect men you are sorely mistaken. Feckless Repubs are now running from the issue for fear of voter backlash.

    In Arizona, Blake Masters backtracks on abortion and scrubs his campaign website
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...ks-abortion-scrubs-campaign-website-rcna44808
     
  19. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2020
    Messages:
    31,853
    Likes Received:
    17,227
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    Pretty much agree, but Biden has gotten a bad rap on inflation, which is a world wide problem caused by the pandemic.

    However, last poll I checked had gaining at 45%. Might be better on vote day in Nov.
     
    Hey Now likes this.
  20. btthegreat

    btthegreat Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2010
    Messages:
    16,405
    Likes Received:
    7,070
    Trophy Points:
    113
    See I think gerrymandering requires a partisan intent in the creation of those 'voting districts' and those borders were not picked to give advantage to any party per se.
     
    Last edited: Aug 26, 2022
  21. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2020
    Messages:
    31,853
    Likes Received:
    17,227
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    But the practical outcome gives repubs the advantage in the Senate, and, for me, that's all that matters. However, district gerrymandering can be fixed, but the Senate's structure, which created the situation but unforeseeable by the framers, is commanded by the Constitution, and it would take an amendment to fix it. That's the only difference, though significant.
     
    btthegreat likes this.
  22. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2016
    Messages:
    28,141
    Likes Received:
    19,387
    Trophy Points:
    113
    True, however, voters are choosing the lesser of evils. (Like always) Abortion laws are not likely to prevent a single abortion. One can take a short trip to avoid abortion restrictions, but they can't run from excessive taxes and 87K IRS agents.

    Lets not pretend Dems can run on protecting rights. They claim to value a woman's right to bodily autonomy, but if she wants to exercise that right by refusing to consume a pharma product, or protect that right with a firearm, dems change their tune.
     
  23. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2016
    Messages:
    28,141
    Likes Received:
    19,387
    Trophy Points:
    113
    This is not about me. Resorting to ad hom fallacies only reveals ones inability to defend a position on merit. I agreed with you on the abortion issue hindering their campaign, but it is easy to circumvent abortion laws by taking a short trip. It is not possible to avoid excessive taxation and 87K IRS mafia, um, I mean agents.

    Dems cannot run on protecting ones right to bodily autonomy. The moment a woman wants to refuse to consume a pharma product, or protect her body from a rapist/killer with a gun, they change their tune.

    Both parties suck. Dems are just a little worse.
     
    Last edited: Aug 26, 2022
  24. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2020
    Messages:
    31,853
    Likes Received:
    17,227
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Since when do dems advocate an individual's right to not consume a pharma product?

    What you are implying is, in actual fact, a complete lie.

    I suspect you are referring to mandates.

    But, if you are, then mention that the mandates were an attempt to get a handle on something that threatened the national security of the nation, the COVID virus. Moreover, mandates are incentives, not 'denials of rights'. Even if there is a mandate, it is NOT illegal to refuse a vaccination. But, to deny a right would require making refusing an vaccination illegal. So, your implication is a lie. But, you won't mention that, you will insinuate that "democrats advocate the disallowing an individual's right to consume a pharma product' which is highly misleading as it is disingenuous. But, that's typical of those persons right of center.

    Even despite the mandates, it wasn't illegal to refuse a 'pharma product'.

    So, be HONEST.

    And, you aren't really being honest here:

    or protect her body from a rapist/killer with a gun, they change their tune.

    See, what your more truthful issue is that gun regs in CA won't allow you to carry a concealed weapon. This is waht YOU are really complaining about (you forget that I remember your earlier complaints) But gun regs do not just apply to women, they apply to everyone, but you will be dishonest and try and frame the narrative that dems want to prevent a woman from defending herself. Gun regs are not targeting women, but of course, you will imply that they are, and wherever there is a greater good, there is a lesser evil, and so if you avoid that aspect of the argument, by focusing only on the lesser evils, then you are not being honest. the gun argument has to be addressed at the national or state level, because at a local level, you will not find the greater good which is the basis for the regulation.


    Or, at the minimum, quit being disingenuous.
     
    Last edited: Aug 26, 2022
    Rampart likes this.
  25. ECA

    ECA Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2018
    Messages:
    32,269
    Likes Received:
    15,808
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You're dealing with someone who keeps pushing the lie about 87K IRS agents. In other words, don't hold your breath.
     

Share This Page