Will The Left Defend Trump the Same Way They Did Biden?

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  1. stratego

    stratego Well-Known Member

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    The has been an explosion of documents and videos shown as evidence against the Bidens and the media and the left are casting doubts on their authenticity. They attacked Giuliani in order to discredit the messenger. And they take Biden's denial at face value.

    Will they do the same for Trump?

    In the upcoming months Democrat will try to pull another Russia hoax by putting out false accusations of money laundering and Russian connection. They would point to vague transactions in Deutschebank and claim that it was evidence. Trump will deny any wrongdoing. Will the left defend him likr they do Biden or will yhere be a witchhunt because it's Trump?

    How would you treat the two scenarios differently?
     
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    Let the evidence come out against both. Wrong doing shouldn’t be accepted regardless of party.
     
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    Let's start with Vance's examination of Dirty Donnie's tax returns for the past 10 years.
     
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    Good point. I've seen a lot of table turning these past few years. None of those grand claims of corruption have proven to amount to anything more than disinformation. It's not a new tactic, but it's taken on a new sense of legitimacy. We accuse them of being criminal and corrupt without actual proof. But when the accusations come from them, we demand that proof. I'm not sure how many people actually believe the accusations rather than just see them as a way to smear. So, back to the questions being asked over the past three and four years--guilty until proven innocent, or innocent until proven guilty?
     
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    Such desperation. Really, really sad and shameful. Begging people to believe isn't going to work.

    I fail to see the point in your scenario. It's just something you made up. If you have something to base it on, present it. Otherwise this is just a backhanded attempt at getting people to believe.

    People aren't stupid. Trump hasn't completely destroyed our institutions. To use Trump's words, it is what it is. You can wish it were what you want it to be, but it doesn't work like that. It takes an average person 6 minutes and 26 seconds watching OANN to know what's going on. Okay, I made that up. At least the point got across.
     
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    Agreed, it's not new. Conspiracy theories have always been around, but they seem to have become industrialized lately, and followers seem to be participating in some sort of hobby, like Trekkies and such.

    All conspiracy theories - this one about Biden is the shoddiest - begin with a hint, a suggestion, which is grounded as "evidence," then the followers take over and fill in the blanks. We see it here everyday, in every thread involving conspiratorial argument. It's fascinating.
     
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    the ones the NY Times got ahold of and said there was no illegality?

    Vance most have a lot of time on his hands now that he doesn’t have to protect and defend the dem donor jeffery Epstein
     
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    So sadly true. I'm fairly certain that at some level we're all aware that this has the signs of a disinformation plot, and those signs have been on too many of these big political issues in the recent past. Both sides are taking part in it. Both sides share a certain hypocrisy in how we talk and think about this. It could be considered growing pains as we progress through the early stages of this era.
     
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    People of all stripes fall to conspiracy theories. Many anti-vaxxers and even QAnon are liberals. Cultish behavior can be found on all sides.

    This current smear campaign is childish in its innocence. Trump supporters like to bring up what they call "the impeachment hoax."

    Sept. 20th, 2019: WSJ publishes whistleblower story
    Sept. 27th, 2019: House issues subpoenas and demands for depositions

    Oct. 14th, 2020: NYP publishes "smoking gun evidence" against Biden
    Oct. 30th, 2020: Still waiting for Johnson to do something
     
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    The Biden conspiracy intelligence is false. NBC News is reporting it. The China crap is crap created by a non-existent security firm and fake persona.
    Our intelligence agencies warned us about this stuff.

    The fact that it could spread so quickly and be lapped up so quickly is a bit frightening: networks, a campaign, unnamed sources in the DOJ and Senate.

    There’s a difference between responding to something tangible like an known investigation in progress by a legitimate body and allegations floated around by hyper-partisan irresponsible outlets.
     
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    That's good. If he has time on his hands, then he can go thru Dirty Donnie's records line by line.
     
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    NBC reached out to Bobolinski and he declined. That happens when things are scripted.
     
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    will the right convict Trump for all the stuff we already know he did, chant lock him up, lock him up... ect.....
     
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    why? The NY TImes team of crack journalist already have and said no wrong doing
     
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    Why should anyone defend Donald Trump, a crazy, egocentric, disinterested person?
    Donald doesn't care about you or America. He only cares about himself.
     
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    Will the right defend Biden the same way they defended Trump? Somewhere in that is your answer.
     
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    Great , then Dirty Donnie has nothing to fear.

    So that means Hunter is off the hook too. After all, only right-wing rags published Rudy's fake material. Right ?
     
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    No kidding. Hypotheticals are fun.

    Next: OJ Simpson

    On deck: Bill Cosby

    Honorable mention: Ghislaine Maxwell

    In memoriam: Jeffery Epstein

    Are you going to defend them like you defend Biden? Lol.
     
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    Nope, just like all the other bogus hoax investigations by the dems

    I don't know what Rudy fake material you are talking about...or how that has to do with the ongoing criminal probe of the FBI into the Biden family money laundering
     
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    If the left is smart they will attack Dirty Donald just as the right has attacked the Biden's.
     
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    Ah, so because you're sore about what you believe to be bogus hoax investigations by the dems, you now want a bogus hoax investigation by the repubs into Hunter ?

    Makes sense.
     
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    Objectively what makes the Hunter Biden case any more of a hoax than the Mueller case against Donald Trump? Dems will say that the evidence makes no sense but can't point to any reason why that don't apply to Trump.
     
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    Well we know they were hoaxes because the evidence didn't support them and the dems ended up with egg on their face.

    The GOP isn't investigating the Bidens....the FBI is.
     
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    The Senate never heard any evidence because they voted not to allow any, so your statement is not factually correct since you can't "know" anything.
     
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    That's not true at all....they heard all the evidence shifty collected.

    Shifty knew his parody was exposed and then in the last minute tried to get another random witness that he never sought to get in the House, because the NY Times leaked some stuff about his book.....and the Senate said no to that one person
     

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