Will the UK really let Alfie Evans die in a hospital unwilling to treat him?

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  1. diamond lil

    diamond lil Well-Known Member

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    Not really. It could be they needed help until their body had recovered sufficiently, perhaps after a serious accident or heart attack, or major surgery.


    It means treatment to cure the problem isn't working. People live with incurable cancer for years, for example. It just means although the problem cant be cured, it can be kept under control.

    The procedures carried out that are necessary to support life are painful. Patients on life support are given pain relieving drugs to help.
    Sometimes it's not possible to know if the patient can actually experience the pain, though.
    In the case of Alfie Evans , when doctors tested him for responses to pain, his seizures increased.
    That in itself didn't mean he could experience pain, but it could have done. It couldn't be ruled out.
     
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    Is it common that they recover sufficiently?

    Yeah, I was thinking of "treatment" as treatment for a cure - Slightly narrow minded of me I will admit.

    So "pain" and "experience of pain" are two entirely different things?
     
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    You mean harder to get out into the media?
     
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    What case was this?
     
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    He was going to die no matter what anyone tried to do, he is going to die no matter what anyone tries to do, all the money, attention, foreign nations sticking their noses where they don't belong, hysterics, trolls, internet experts, and armchair judges will not make the slightest difference, the government made the right call, you are wrong, everybody else is right, be grateful that the government is made up of your betters.
     
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    Apart from the fact the government wasn't involved, you are quite right.
     
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    What do you think it is?
     
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    Socialism Works Well-Known Member

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    They don't exist.
     
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    Shhhhh!! Don't tell right wing Americans that!! They have on the highest authority that they do

    Sarah Palin told them so
     
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    Bible Barbie always sounded like she was stoned out of her tiny little excuse for a mind so yes, that would be the "highest authority".

    SCNR ;)
     
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    They obviously do. Why deny the obvious?
     
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    Proof please!!
     
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    Proof please!!
     
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    Clearly no proof available.
     
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    Yes Bowerbird death panels actually are death panels - even Democrats have admitted the ugly truth.

    "One major problem [with ObamaCare] is the so-called Independent Payment Advisory Board. The IPAB is essentially a health-care rationing body. By setting doctor reimbursement rates for Medicare and determining which procedures and drugs will be covered and at what price, the IPAB will be able to stop certain treatments its members do not favor by simply setting rates to levels where no doctor or hospital will perform them." Howard Dean, The Affordable Care Act's Rate-Setting Won't Work, Wall Street Journal, 7/28/13
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324110404578628542498014414.html

    Palin was right - the supporters of ObamaCare are either uninformed or just performing theThee Monkey Dance. ;-)
     
  18. Ddyad

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    Please see my reply to Bowerbird.

    Or just think about what a "death panel" really is.
     

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