Will There Ever be A Nuclear War?

First, re-read what I just posted. Then tell me where I said otherwise.

Courage is something that comes from within. Becoming a soldier does not mean you are courageous. Maybe it means you needed the money. Maybe it means your father made you do it. Maybe it means you weren't doing anything else. Maybe it means you wanted to see the world, or thought the concept was really cool. Being a soldier may test your courage, but being courageous is not inherent in a soldier. By that logic, there never was a panic or route ever in military history due to mass fear and loss of heart.

 

I did. Let's all just note that, while you accuse the US of invading North Korea, there is still zero acknowledgement on your part that it was the North that invaded the peaceful South. Your advice is just to let the North slaughter all those South Koreans who oppose them. WTF kind of person are you???

 

It does. Most of people considering applying/conscripted into the military/poliece with even minor amounts of brain have sevral thoughts about the place. That it is a dangerous place. If (*)(*)(*)(*) happens, you will see horrible things, might be forsed to do horrible things or got killed in the process. This is the moment when not-so-couragous average Joe says to himself "no, not signing in, let the others to do the job, i'll be happy with being a taxi driver". And that is supposed to be an act of courage? Sometimes some civilians can perform like true heroes or the opposite with some serviseman acting like cowards, but really, speaking on average you are just fighting with windmills. You are arguing with obvious things.

 

How do you know how many civilians are courageous or not? You don't. Joining the military isn't a sign of courage, but dealing with a situation the military sends you into is. Civilians are not tested in this way, obviously. That doesn't mean they aren't courageous. Soldiers are trained not to turn around, duck, or flinch. It's not so much courage as discipline in that regard, and it is the training and conditioning that differentiates a soldier from a civilian, not courage. A civilian is likely to show as much courage as the average soldier when put into the same situation because soldiers are civilians who have been put into that situation.

 

WTF? It's obvious. I never said they didn't, you just keep repeating that as if you are making some point. My point was that the US intervened in the Korean War because they feared the spread of Communism. You are arguing with yourself.

 

And this is why you fail.

North Korea already was Communist. It had been since 1945, when at Potsdam the US and USSR agreed to partition Korea when it was liberated from Japanese occupation. It was not going to "turn Communist", it had been Communist for 5 years by that point.

Sorry, complete and total historical fail there.

 

No, you keep leaping from one argument to another. First you said I said North Korea never invaded South Korea...or where nagging me to admit to something I never said otherwise. Now your trying to shift the subject to whether N Korea was Communist or not before the war. If you please read what I've been writing, I said the US intervened in the Korean War because they thought N Korea would turn Communist or they feared the spread of Communism.

My main argument was that the US intervened in the war because they feared a spread of Communism, and I said that Communism did not equal evil. What are you arguing about?

 

You right, I don't. But I know, that those, who applied to the military, on average are more courageous and patriotic.

To a certain degree, it is.

Signing in demands some amout of courage by itself. Already told you. And not going to go circles.
Moreover getting throug it, will make you better. Whatever doesn't kill me makes me stronger.
Of course if you won't broke.

Skipping all that bubbling, again, soldiers were civilians, but they took a risk and joined a military. It is strange to pretend, that those, who remained, are more courageous, despite they denied the opportunity. Again, I am speaking on average situation.

 

Well, how does that explain me then my friend?

I graduated High School in 1983, but for over a decade had wanted to be in the military. I not only purposefully joined the Marines, but specifically the Infantry. I could have gone to college, I was already working at the time, sometimes as a computer programmer. So I had an employable job skill but choose to join the military anyways.

Fast forward 10 years, and I had to get out because of an injury (I fought my discharge for almost 3 years).

Now fast forward another 14 years. By this time we had been at war for 6 years, and I was 42 years old. I was the senior computer tech at the company I was working at, and had been there for over 5 years. Yet I purposefully quit my job because I was finally able to go back into the military. And I took a pay cut to do that.

Yes, you have a pretty (*)(*)(*)(*)ty attitude when it comes to those of us who make the conscious decision to serve. I do not put those in the military up on some pedestal, but I do give them respect when it comes to making the conscious decision to do what they do. Simply by signing up we acknowledge that we can (and often are) placed directly in harms way. When people are flooding out of a place like New Orleans and New Jersey, we are the ones streaming in with aid and assistance. We are the country's 911 service, who takes care of civilians after an earthquake, and even fly helicopters over reactors that are spewing radiation because that is our job.

Now this may get cut, and if so, so be it. But I find your holier then thou attitude quite revolting. You are really nothing but a troll, attacking anybody who does not agree with you, and belittling anybody that does not think like you and agree with you. Time to grow up my friend, time to grow up. Acting like you are 6 years old and having tantrums because you refuse to recognize when several of us are pointing out you are wrong is pretty disgusting behavior.

And I am quite glad you are not in the military.

 

In general, you are saying that civilians signing up to be a soldier shows a general level of courage somewhat higher than civilians. Therefor, civilians are generally more courageous than civilians.

This is all opinions and points of view. There's no facts one way or the other.

 

No, they got involved for the same reason they got involved in Vietnam, and in Kuwait. Because an allied nation was attacked, and we were fulfilling the obligation of our treaty with them to provide assistance. Period.

And get this through your head, this was not a US operation! Over 20 nations participated on the side of South Korea. The United Nations itself got involved and directed the war to eject North Korea from South Korea.

You are playing childish word games here, saying "or" like it is a magic talisman. But both sides of that "or" of yours are wrong. It had nothing to do with communism. Nothing, period, ever.

 

Unless every other soldier is your clone, than this only describes you.

Aside from that, when you write your own biography, you can say whatever you want to say about yourself.

Besides, it's you who are claiming the high hand just because you happened to serve. I served to, but you don't see me flashing my credentials. There's people who disagree with your point of view who also happen to be soldiers. So...what? Did you think you were the representative of the military here?

 

Here, fixed for you.

Murder is bad. This is all opinions and points of view. There's no facts one way or the other.

 

Fixed what? I'm not even sure what you are saying here? Yes, the morality of murder is an opinion as well, considering where and when it is applied. But soldiers being inherently courageous or not is a different subject.

 

Frankly, that was a US operation. The decision, when "UN" decided to involve itself was made in the absence of Soviet representative. In other worlds, US screwed UN almost from the day one. Great job, really. That was organisation supposed to stop wars.

Ugh.....now try to read your quote in my post. Maybe then you'll understand.

That is a little annoying now.

 

I don't understand what you were trying to say in the previous post and asked for clarification. Reading it again probably won't help.

Can you explain what you meant? What did you fix?

 

Well, if re-reading a bit corrected post and finaly getting a single thought that "Therefor, civilians, which signed into the military, are generally more courageous than other civilians" is to hard for you at the moment and you prefer your moral relativism i find our further conversation on the topic useless. [/Thread]

 

Oh, so by fixed you mean changed my words to fit your argument? And you are disgusted...?

Plus, you are arguing your own morals as much as I am. But I guess being tired is an acceptable excuse since it's known to make people do foolish things.

 

Whatever mate. No offence, if 1+1=2 is a serious logical and moral consern for you, you should probably try to discuss it with Youtube commentors.

 

Awww, that's so cute. So much more mature than emoticons.

Of course, if the argument was whether 1 +1 equals two, we wouldn't be here would we? But you seem to be getting worse, so I'll let you bow out. If you need me to call the ambulance, let me know...

 

If morals of a murder is a question for you, i guess it is me, who need to call the ambulance, before you kill somebody.
Arn't you one of those failed stand-upers? Those silly attempts are cute, but they are failing.

 

Zzzzz- huh, what? Oh, it's obvious you have nothing more to say. You said you were going to leave so go.

 

Auditory hallucinations? I'll inform your ambulance.
Why you are even keep responding? Why won't you flex your mind discussing the purpose of life with somebody? Try a dog, for one. It will value all your relativist arguments very high.

 

Er...you said you were tired and above continuing the conversation? Why are you responding? Me, I'm having fun at this point.

And dogs can't talk. Just sayin...

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Leaving a discussion without ending it is very impolitely. I was going to do it in post №117, but you somehow have more....ughhh..."valuable thoughts" to contribute. I am curious when you'll dry out.