Will Trump be impeached or not?

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  1. Lesh

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    Trump has been caught red handed doing what he was accused of (and got away with) in the 2016 election.

    Only this time he is the President not just a neophyte Presidential candidate.

    Fool me once...shame on you...fool me twice....
     
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    Who's in charge of the ag?
     
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    In fact, trump was asking for a favor that would benefit him

    except that there was ample discussion of this issue in the whitehouse
    There is zero evidence this was being pushed by doj
    Actually, no one has even proposed this

    If there was such evidence, it should be released
    Along with he internal discussions in the whitehouse i
     
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    Caught red handed doing exactly what he is required to do by treaty with Ukraine:

    ,,, and what action did Trump begin that fell outside of the process outlined


    https://www.congress.gov/treaty-document/106th-congress/16/document-text?overview=closed


    Article 2 provides for the establishment of Central Authorities and defines Central Authorities for purposes of the
    Treaty. For the United States, the Central Authority shall be the Attorney General or a person designated by the Attorney
    General.

    The context for Trump’s remark was the Biden video boasting about blackmailing Ukraine’s leadership, yet we see that almost nowhere in the news.

     
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  5. TurnerAshby

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    "There is zero evidence this was being pushed by doj"

    ^^ Donald Trump is in charge of the DOJ so him saying look into Joe Bidens firing of the Ukrainian prosecutor proves that wrong

    "In fact, trump was asking for a favor that would benefit him"

    So the President can't as the head of the executive branch look into crimes if looking into them may also benefit him?
     
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    How would this favor benefit him? Biden doesn't even know where he is half the time. He was not and would never have been the Democrat nominee.
     
  7. ARDY

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    there is a legal concept of recusal
    Where a legal authority steps aside from management of any legal matter in which he has a personal interest
     
  8. TurnerAshby

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    So wait the President should've recused himself from asking the Ukrainians to look into Joe Bidens incident which could've been prevented had Joe Biden recused himself since Biden had a personal interest......
     
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    Even if it did benefit him he is in charge of the DOJ so asking for investigation would be apart of his job title, right?
     
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    It is his job and he would delegate compliance with the treaty to the DOJ. He did exactly what his job requires ,,, and exactly what he does without compensation. Can't wait 'til they get around to emoluments. This is all a bad joke ,,, a joke he knew was coming in October 2016 and took the job anyway.
     
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    Yes, he easily could have asked aj or ambassador to follow up

    what Biden did or did not do is not an issue... except in so far as doj has a case to prosecute
     
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    Actually, he seems to be increasingly flailing around in a septic tank of his own making, flinging his feces all over the place, hoping that some of it will stick, or at least some worshipper will come by and pick it up and run with it.
     
  13. TurnerAshby

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    Well it kinda is though Biden didn't recuse and it was fine but Trump doing the same is bad.. There aren't many avenues Democrats can pursue where they don't look as guilty themselves tbh.... And like you said there is no court room its all political
     
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    There was no crime to look into. Everybody was saying the guy should be fired for rampant corruption not related to Biden's son at all, Biden himself just joined the chorus. Trump just wanted Zelensky to smear Biden's son.

    For God's sake what does it TAKE with Trumpers. FerCrissake he's using the power of the Presidency to illegally tamper with an election. How much of this is he doing that we DON'T know about. He's already had the Lickspitle-in-Chief McTreason block a bill so that most of our election machines will still be connected to the Internet. You might as well connect them right to Putin's office in the Kremlin. if we permit this kind of thing we might as well not HAVE elections, whoever is in the Presidency will just always win and then make nobody but his picked candidate have a chance.

    And he's already hinting he thinks he should be able to KILL whistle blowers who reveal his wrongdoing. How long before we have the CIA poisoning people? Hell, how long before he's backtracking people on the computers and sending out the FBI? How long before he gets to YOU? Don't think that being a Trumper will help, like most dictators he turns on his followers hardest of all. (You've seen that already)
     
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    "There was no crime to look into"

    And you know this how? Had Biden recused himself there wouldn't have been any hint of improper behavior but Biden didn't recuse himself

    The rest is fear mongering I don't want to dignify with a response
     
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    My question of the Democrats at this point is "Why the rush?" I thought Pelosi's strategy here was to hold off and do this just before the election, and then we could have the public seeing the Senate let him off even though he's blatantly guilty and him not having time to screech "No Collusion" and "Fake News" about his own conviction . But now it's like; "Let's hurry up and do this so we can get it out of the way before Trump's re-election." What gives?
     
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    Everybody was saying this guy should be fired. Biden was under no obligation to recuse himself as this was very peripheral to his function and his son was not connected to the corruption at all. If government officials recused themselves for this kind of thing they would all be recused all the time.

    It's not fear mongering, it's fact and based on Trump's behavior. He's following Putin's playbook to the letter . He and his Russian mentor are trying to take over this country and if he gets a second term we will be Russia V.2 with nobody to stop them
     
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    Biden was under no obligation to recuse himself as this was very peripheral to his function and his son was not connected to the corruption at all"

    How did he know at the time of an ongoing investigation whether or not his son would be implicated?

    So asking about Corruption/crime is peripheral to Trump's job since he's in charge of the DOJ so he was free to ask about potential crimes. You people can't have this both ways if Biden did nothing wrong then Trump didn't
     
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    Biden was under no obligation to recuse himself as this was very peripheral to his function and his son was not connected to the corruption at all"

    How did he know at the time of an ongoing investigation whether or not his son would be implicated?

    So asking about Corruption/crime is peripheral to Trump's job since he's in charge of the DOJ so he was free to ask about potential crimes. You people can't have this both ways if Biden did nothing wrong then Trump didn't

    It's not fact at all
     
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    I think it is highly unlikely, though it is possible. I think Pelosi, if she goes through with it (which is doubtful), will lose a lot of Democrats fearful in getting creamed in the next election in a vote for articles of impeachment, though she will pick up a few Republicans.
     
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    Has there ever been, in the entire history of mankind, where a favor was asked that did not benefit the asker?
     
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    No amount of "But look over there" will change the fact that Trump is uniquely corrupt and a career con man.
     
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    Here's my biggest prediction about the impeachment inquiry: soon after the whistleblower testifies, Nunes will leak his or her identity to the WH.
     
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    Neither Biden or his son had control of 250 millions in money for weapons the Ukrainians need for their survival. Trump was interfering in the politics of a foreign country and clearly pressuring them to interfere in our elections or they would not get the money they needed.

    Trump isn't openly defying and opposing the Congress? And violating the law in doing so? The Courts aren't nearly always upbraiding him for illegal decrees and he doesn't attack them too? Trump hasn't gone out of his way to attack our free press, and said he would like to use the power of the government against them? His son-in-law isn't BFF with the guy who recently murdered a prominent and world famous journalist, and we are doing nothing about it? (talk about recusal) Trump hasn't praised dictators and said he would like to have the elections held off and his term extended and/or be President for life? Fear mongering my butt, what does a President have to DO to scare Trumpers?
     
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