Will Trump double voters get away with it? Does intent matter?

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  1. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    A Trump supporter who double votes has broken the law, but more important, is there criminal intent?

    “POLK COUNTY, Iowa — A Des Moines woman has been arrested on suspicion of voting twice this month in the general election, police and court(*)records show. Terri Lynn Rote, 55, was booked into the Polk County Jail about 3:40 p.m. Thursday on a first-degree(*)election misconduct charge, which is a Class D felony. Rote, a registered Republican, reportedly cast(*)an early voting ballot(*)at the Polk County Election Office,(*)and another ballot at a county satellite voting location(*)in Des Moines,(*)according to a Des Moines police report.” USA Today, Voter fraud suspect arrested in Des Moines, By Charly Haley, The Des Moines Register, 10/30/16/

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...ion-topstories

    Did Rote believe that she had to double vote to avoid being disenfranchised by pro-Clinton vote fraud? Should that be a defense?

    Or should the letter of the law apply here? If so should it apply in the enforcement of other criminal statutes - like the Espionage Act?
     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If they broke the law, try them and punish them. I have no problem with citizen cheat sharing a cell with Secretary Clinton when she faces the full force of the law for her crimes...
     
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    There was one "double voter" , and no she will not get away with it and neither will anyone else. People like this should do research before doing it, as many times as democrats try this crap what makes anyone else think they are gonna get away with it?
     
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    Hey, we have a totally new standard in American Law now, thanks to the King of the Keystone Cops, FBI Director Comey!

    No matter how much EVIDENCE there is, NO crime has been committed unless the police (FBI, etc.) can also say that they think there was INTENT to break a law. If not, they'll just bulldoze all the evidence out into the back yard and forget about it.

    [​IMG]. "Hey, if I don't see any INTENT, then to hell with the evidence! No crime has been committed... right?!" :cheerleader:
     
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    If the intent was to vote a second time, knowing it was the second time, she should be prosecuted . If she claims she somehow 'forgot' and she can convince the DA of her tale, the DA can use his discretion. Most likely the time and place for 'why' conversations to a charge, is before a sentencing recommendation is made. not prior to the case being filed. There is no defense to the charge saying that one gets to vote twice because someone else on the 'other side' may have cheated.
     
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    Pardy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't think that Trump's rigging will do much harm. The process is simple enough that it's hard to break. But they'll continue trying... to save America from corruption, you gotta be corrupt.
     
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    But wait! There's more!

    http://www.star-telegram.com/news/nation-world/national/article111519972.html

    Can you imagine if Hillary or ANY other Democrat said this?
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    Clinton was not prosecuted because, according to Comey, the FBI, and the DOJ, she did not intend to commit a crime.
    Is their a double standard for the Trump double voter?

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    So would you give the Trump double voter a pass if you were the prosecutor?
     
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    I would vote for Trump 1,000 times if I had the time and resources given the fact I know that voting machines are flipping peoples votes and progressives are busing people across the country to vote numerous times in numerous states (and both situations have been documented).
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    But the Trump double voter has been arrested and is being prosecuted. Should she call FBI Director Comey to testify for her and explain intent for the court?
     
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    So, if charged your defense would be that your intent was to right a wrong - defacto crime prevention.

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    So the results will vary depending on the party affiliation of the defendant.
     
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    My defense would be to keep my mouth shut.
     
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    Glad they caught her. All voter fraud needs to be punished by at a minimum 1 year in prison and loss of all future voting rights. Oh and you must stand on stage at the next Democratic or Republican convention(depending on who you double voted for) and allow folks to throw rotten tomatoes at you.
     
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    Is that what FBI Director Comey did - "exercise his discretion"?
     
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    Are we referring to calls he made that we liked, or calls we have decided we didn't? In the most current and controversial instance We do not know whether he used discretion that he is supposed to have.

    I am not prepared to make a claim about his conduct and the Hatch amendment. It may be illegal. I would expect any prosecutor to ask questions about whether this potential breach is worth much time and energy and decide what to do from there, just as he would for a woman who votes twice. Intent may matter but it should really matter later in the process.

    Its hard to compare a woman who votes twice with this matter, because there is so little ambiguity in statutes on 'voter fraud' and its real hard to argue voting twice is a breach. It's also going to take a creative defense to get a judge to see how it could be an 'oops', lacking intent.
     
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    A good approach - unless your lawyer tells you speak up.
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    And Comey is not a prosecutor. Do you know if a prosecutor involved with the FBI investigation of the Clinton emails?
     
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    No lawyer would suggest that.
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    I doubt if there are enough rotten tomatoes in America, to deal with all the vote riggers active in our elections.
     
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    No he is not, but those who might consider his conduct criminal will be and that is the comparison I thought you were seeking to a DA's office deciding what to do with the arrested double-voter. The FBI most assuredly has experience legal counsel who are intimately familiar with what a DA will be looking for as consultants, and I have zero doubt those lawyers watched over the case with great and studious interest consistent with their responsibilities. Can you imagine that the FBI would not have as much access to internal legal expertise for review, it does any other disciple so intimately involved in its cases?
     
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    Law should apply, always.
    That said a single double voter doesn't imply others will... and in light of her getting caught that sends a good message.
    But as far as I'm aware, this is not a new phenomenon, but rare.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2012/12/30/arizona-nabs-double-voters/1799581/
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    OJ.

    Lawyers tell defendants to speak up all the time. Depends on the defendant and what they have to say.
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    I would find it odd if the FBI was not working with a professional prosecutor in such an investigation. Hence my question.
     
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    I agree but he or they ( more than one) may be a former prosecutor or a former judge working for the FBI in either a salaried position or a special consultant. Attorneys sometimes like to freelance for some extra vacation fund money too.
     

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