World uneasily watches US protests

There was a lockdown order still in place in Lansing where the Governor resides. There was also a statement by Gov Whitmer telling the rest of Michigan not to descend of the area because a spike in virus cases could overwhelm the medical system in the area. You also have the Governor clearly planning to defy both her lockdown order in Lansing, and her statement not to descend on the UP. Seems to me I have touched all the bases to score the run, and your still trying find where the ball landed.

 

I provided sources that clearly demonstrated that Soros' backed organizations funded ANTIFA and BLM. You countered with a mission statement that did not mention either of these organizations. I pointed out that both these organizations mission statements are nothing by propaganda, and proves nothing. From that point on you have ignored the facts that I have provided, and claimed that I never made the facts. Come with some real evidence, or stay home.

 

If you check the ball is in the catcher's glove. You are out.

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...an-governor-didnt-have-family-event-reopened/
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...an-governor-didnt-have-family-event-reopened/

"My husband did go to our place in Antrim County and raked some leaves," she said. "We did not all pile in the car to go enjoy our second home, although that would have been permitted."

https://www.freep.com/story/news/lo...-husband-boat-launch-marc-mallory/5259644002/

 

I thought we lost it when we started bombing other nations?



We'll go now and free them all
to show them that we're standing tall
besides them, as they fight and kill
each other.

But never think that the melee
will make us go away.
When what it does is stir us on
for more each passing day.- Jeannette

 

If the liberal press told you that the sky was green and the grass was blue, you would believe it.

In this situation we have what can be proven, and the liberal spin. First, the facts. The Governor did not open the UP until just before Memorial Day. We have her statement telling citizens of Michigan not to descend onto the area. You have the Governor's Husband calling the marina that this storing their boat, and asking them to put the boat into the water. The Marina refused, and the Governor's Husband trying to use his wife's name to pull strings. Finally, the Governor's family SUV was photographed at the vacation home. You have claimed that there was not statement deterring citizens from descending on the UP. I guess you are finally admitting that you were wrong. So, let me help you out with the rest.

The Governor reopened the UP. She told citizens from other areas not to descend on the area. Her husband then tried to get the marina to put their boat into the water. The joking part was supposedly his using her name to get it done. (Kudos to the Marina owner. He did not buckle to liberal elitisms.) Then someone from the Governor's family went to the vacation home. The liberal's spin does not prove that the Governor herself did not make the journey. Further, it is not that fact that making the trip was/would have been legal that would have been the problem. It is the whole do as I say, and not as I do mentality that Democrats display far too often.

 

Not even 1.

Point out in your sources exactly where Soro's has given to Antifa. I didn't look at BLM so I can't say on that one. Mostly he donates overseas. As he isn't American.

 

No. I have already provided you the source, and even quoted the statements. If you refuse to believe them, then you are on your own. You have not offered one piece of evidence that does not show that Soros is not involved with the Alliance for Global Justice, or that the Alliance for Global Justice has pulled funding from ANTIFA when they resort to physical violence. Until you offer something other then a mission statement, then we have nothing to talk about.

Have a nice day!!!!

 

The article fully explains why you are wrong. But you can keep if it makes you feel better.

 

Just because they supposedly did not take the trip, does not mean it was not planned. The fact that the Governor's Husband made the call to the marina proves that they planned the trip. So it is you that is beating a dead horse. I have the facts on my side.

 

We lost it when so much of the country supported the torture brought by Bush & Co. We lost it when all our Christian churches remained silent about said torture.

 

Wow. So many liberals are resorting to ideocracy when their facts fail them. Sad. Really Sad!!!!!

 

Of course Soros is an American citizen, although he is a Jew born in Hungary. He was one of the priviledged during WWII, and given the job of pointing out the Jews to the Nazis. It gave him an overpowering sense of power, and he said if he didn't hide his feelings, people would think he's crazy.

According to Stephen Ben Nun of Israelinewslive who lost 250 relatives during WWII, all it would have cost the Zionists to save the Jews in Hungary, was $1.50 a person. Yet they paid thousands to save those they considered beneficial to their future state of Israel. One Zionist said that they needed the martyrs to convince the British to give them Palestine.

As for Soros, his Open Society Foundation supports over 150 liberal organizations in the US. Without his support, no one can become a candidate in the Democratic Party.

 

No link or post you made shows direct funding to Antifa.

Have a nice day.

 

Born
Schwartz György[1][2]

August 12, 1930 (age 89)
Budapest, Kingdom of Hungary
Citizenship Hungary, United States[3]

Yes, dual citizenship. Did not know. Never ever looked before. Don't even know him but for RW posters.

 

And yours isn't?

That's "the pot calling the kettle black" ... !

 

Maybe you better change that to "the pot calling the kettle cast iron".

 

When the threat of human injury is pronounced the authorities have the right and duty to enact measures mutual self-protection on the behalf of all citizens in any circumstance anywhere;

And particularly when a pandemic is the threat. (This one has just chalked up 404,000 victims world-wide - of which a quarter are American).

That gives the state sufficient right&obligation to take measures to protect human-lives.

Which apparently for you is a meaningless political duty because it infringes upon your right to get out and about.

Some call that behavior, uh, Pure Selfishness! You have no right whatsoever to infect others with a deadly-disease. And if you do so willingly, it is and should be a matter of Penal Law!

Constitution of the republic or no constitution of the republic - it's just a matter of common sense of which apparently you are deficient ...

 

PANDEMIC THIS

And particularly when a pandemic is the threat. (This one has just chalked up 404,000 victims world-wide - of which a quarter are American).

That gives the state sufficient right&obligation to take measures to protect human-lives.

Which apparently for you is a meaningless political duty because it infringes upon your right to get out and about.

Some call that behavior, uh, Pure Selfishness! You have no right whatsoever to infect others with a deadly-disease. And if you do so willingly, it is and should be a matter of Penal Law!

Constitution of the republic or no constitution of the republic - it's just a matter of common sense of which apparently you are deficient ...

WHAT'S A COUNTRY TO DO?

Harping back to a Constitution written more than two-hundred years ago is simplistic. The world around us changes, and so should basic-laws of governance.

The said Constitution was written at a time by good-men who were concerned more for the freedom of its peoples and a menacing foreign regency (the British King). Its makers had no idea at the time how it should be created. There was none other at the time that existed as a "model".

That is, what happened is an Amendment to the Constitution at that time that allowed the Head of state to be the result of a manipulation of the popular-vote in order to favor certain parties within the Southern States. This became a condition that the states insisted or they would withdraw from the "union". Which is the only and ultimate political determinant in any True Democracy.

Our founding fathers made a number of omissions in the selection of democratic rights. No other democracy existed at the time, so there was not "model".

One of fundamental rights that avoided definition by law was the fact that the color of one's skin is or should be of no consequence whatsoever to an individual's ability to participate fairly in a functional economy or democracy. And another was the patent manipulation of the Right-to-Vote by the Electoral College in the selection a "Head if state", a foundation-stone of any Real Democracy, the error of which should be corrected immediately!

And a third was to disallow the ability of females to vote. So, a great many "oversights" needed to be corrected. Some still are necessary ...

 

And maybe not.

Freedom of expression is or should be the objective of any decent DEBATE. The difference of opinion, which is a matter of exchange of arguments, is at the heart of any nation's "political freedom".

And not just "name calling" others because of their obvious difference of opinion. The point being that - regardless of the nature of an opinion - it must be expressed. To disallow or in any manner manipulate that expression constitutes a deprivation of a fundamental political freedom ... !

 

America helped win a war against Nazi atrocities, and we think we defined "freedom". In a way, we did. That is the "right to enjoy freedom".

But, also importantly, WW2 resulted in the fact that Europe could, finally, dump the overall hegemony of Family Dynasties and institute real democracy; that is, the representation of which was decided by the popular-vote of a nation's citizens.

Europe got behind the US on that one because the Nazi's had interfered by wanting to deny BOTH THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT in the determination of their preferred principles of governance! (See here.) First and foremost of which was a gruesome policy to undermine and destroy by extinction the wealth of European Jews.

WW2 took two years and many many deaths (all tolled, 85 million people) - from here:

Most importantly was the composition of political philosophy in Europe after the war, which was overseen by allowing the countries that were conquered by the Nazis to determine their own sense of liberty. Which, in Europe, was pronounced with a greater affection for common-rights in preference to individual-rights. Thus was first created in Europe the notion of Social Democracy, as averse to pure Socialism (that called for the national ownership of all the means of production.)

That is, in a word, high-taxation for the provision of government services. But also, key considerations necessary to rebuild economies that sustain national-populations. Namely Health Care and Education.

Those European primary-considerations were left-of-center and still exist dominantly to this day ...

 

So, in your small mind, unless Soros personally donates to ANTIFA your not going to believe it? How very naïve of you. I have shown that the Alliance for Global Justice is funding ANTIFA, and Open Society Foundation is funding BLM. I have also shown how the BLM leadership is living in a house owned the Open Society Foundation. The sources that I provided shows how these two organizations are funded by Soros. Now, if you are unable to follow the facts, then again we have nothing to talk about. Unless you have sources that claims that Soros is not funding these organizations, or that these organizations are not funding ANTIFA and BLM. Otherwise, have a nice day.

 

That silence you hear is me not disagreeing.

 

According to what? If you claim that it is according to common sense, you have already lost the arguement.

The annual flu kills between 290,000 and 650,000 world wide annually. So, why not shutdown everything every year? 400,000 is right in line with the annual flu. So, this is not unprecedented, but how the US is dealing with it is.

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What gives the state the "right' and "obligation" to shut down lives? What document or legal apparatus gives them the authority to order people to stay home, and to order businesses not to open?

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First, my rights have not been infringed upon, because I have not allowed it to be. I go to the store. I care for my wife, and I take care of whatever needs to be done just as I did before the pandemic began. I do this while choosing to wear a mask in a public place. I do walk wherever I go, because the busses are full of people that are not wearing masks or social distancing. I choose to social distance. I choose, but the government does not have the right to demand. If I get sick, then it is on me. I take full responsibility for myself. I take precautions to protect myself and more importantly my wife. But this is still my choice. There is no document or legal apparatus that gives the President, Governor, Mayor or county commissioners the right to order a lockdown.

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I really love reading you "off the deep end" liberals. Screw the word of law. Screw the Constitution. Replace the laws and rights with a social justice ideology. Sorry, but that does not make it in this country.

Further, if you are following the recommended guidelines then you do not have to worry about what anyone else is doing. By wearing a mask, practice social distancing, no physical contact with others, and the use of hand sanitizers. You do this, and you will be safe. Others around you will be safe from you. The only way you can become infected is if you do not follow the guidelines, and allows yourself become infected. Individuals need to take responsibility for themselves. No, illegal lockdowns are necessary.

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There you go. The losing arguement. Common sense has no place in the court of law. If you start putting the Constitution aside when it is convenient, then it ceases to exist. From recent actions, we know that liberals want to decide who has the right to Free Speech. They want to decide who has the right to bear arms. They want to set aside laws in the name of social justice. None of this is legal under the US Constitution. So, you can take you Common Sense, and I will stick with the US Constitution.

 

Yeah, yeah, yeah - we get it.

You don't like the lady! Enough .... !