Would you favor your home utilities paid by taxes?

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  1. danielpalos

    danielpalos Banned

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    I believe the physical layer of infrastructure may be better in the public domain and as public property.
     
  2. banchie

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    We discussed waste as being beneficial. Read Thread. This is a tax that covers all your utilities on the OP list.
     
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    Roads and highways, water and sewage maybe. Electricity and natural gas is better left to the private side. As it is, new streets in residential neighborhoods tend to be built by the developer and then turned over to the community, and in some locations costs of paving and repaving of streets are assessed from the landowners adjacent to the street.
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well where are all these good paying jobs that replaced all our Middle Class paying factory jobs that left the country? If we listen to all the complaints from these boards, they can't seem to find them. They found a lot of service jobs and millions of part time jobs, but not the kind of jobs that pay anything like we lost.
     
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    Back to who knows what ~ Your article ~

    That doesn't mean that offshoring is unambiguously good for all workers in all industries: The paper explained that, in certain manufacturing industries, the native share of employment has "ambiguously" gone down, forcing workers who've lost their jobs to offshoring to look for work in another sector altogether.

    It's also worth noting that the study doesn't examine the state of U.S. manufacturing since 2007,..

    The offshoring I am refering to is the Global Super-Rich Stashing Up To $32 Trillion Offshore, that is not available in American banks for business loans that hire workers, for college loans to give American workers education, for house loans to give workers homes, etc. That $32 T of unproductive moneys.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/29/wealthy-stashing-offshore_n_3179139.html
     
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    I support nuclear power in theory, although lately, I was made aware of some rather disturbing legal loopholes that have been applied to nuclear accidents in certain countries. In Canada and in much of the U.S., they apparently limit liability to a huge degree should anything go wrong with their nuclear plants.
     
  7. banchie

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    I already supplied you a link on this thread, if you can't find it, go on and complain like it is someone's else's fault.
     
  8. dairyair

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    Is this so you can turn on every light in your house? Run AC at 70 in the summer and heat at 80 in the winter. Use limitless amounts of water etc?

    Or would you have the gov't cut your utilities if you exceed XXX amount/month?

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    The thread is 16 pages long. Give a synopsis why waste is beneficial. Given that some resources are limited. Especially water and dumping grounds.
     
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    According to the last study I read, persons reemployed in the same industry lost very little pay. Those who had to retrain because for a new industry lost about 7%. The issue is not that the jobs were lost because of off shoring, but more because of demand for labor as mechanization has increased and many of the former skilled laborers do not have what industry wants now. As some other economies, like Scandinavian countries, have a bigger proportion of service jobs which also pay well, there is no reason why our newer service industry jobs are any less well paid. The recession caused a loss of many more jobs than off shoring, and the economy has simply recovered more slowly than after earlier recessions.
     
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    There is no reason not to save that cost to the private sector while using scale economies to achieve more cost effective results. In any case, it would only take a Standard for conduits that are to be serviced and maintained.
     
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    Energy is free, it changes form and is still here, it is unlimited, in everything, increases production, increases GDP, increases jobs, lowers food prices, lowers consumer prices, lowers transportation costs, stops wars & cuts military, save lives from exposure, increases food & forest production, etc.
     
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    Nothing is free.
    Energy is not unlimited.
    As for the rest, it resides on free unlimited energy.
     
  13. banchie

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    I disagree with this because as Americans we should never entrust our national security into the hands of private industry's, who may be owned by foreigners like China. We can see the devastation that occurred in California when private industry was allowed to run amuck, businesses closed, hospitals were forced on emergency power, people lost their jobs, the lack of power and the ability to be manipulated is why the private industry should have never have their hands on it. And people have died from the simple lack of electricity and exposure, completely unacceptable.
     
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    Of course it is free. Its not free when you let capitalist stick their finger in it. Walk outside your door & bask in the sun. Is it free? And we have so much energy we will never run out. And if you cruise through the thread, because I am tired of repeating myself.
     
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    Has nothing to do with the energy, it has to do with Cardoza's famous cow that burned down Chicago decision

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    The sun is free, solar panels and their maintenance are not. Dont be dense
     
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    It's -30F, there is no basking in the sun.
     
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    :roflol:

    So that people that don't pay any income taxes can get free utilities.........(*)(*)(*)(*) NO!

    Also, if you don't have to pay a utility bill where is the incentive to turn off the lights when you leave the room or turn off the water when you are brushing your teeth etc. Everyone would just leave their heat and A/C on all the time.
     
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    I'm not familiar with that. You'll have to elaborate.
     
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    I forgot the name of the case, but it is a part of a series on limited liability. He posits that it should stop past for seen local problems. In this case it was a train that started a fire, and the liability was limited to platform areas and nearby. Not the rest of the places where the fire spread:

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultramares_Corporation_v._Touche

    There are other cases tht came to this change in common law. Prior you were liable to everyone injured.
     
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    I can understand limiting liability to a certain extent, but if say, a nuclear meltdown occurred, the company running the plant should be responsible for all directly caused damage.
     
  21. banchie

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    Don't confuse dense with others peoples stupidity. Energy is free. Period. It might cost you to extract it from whatever source, so talk about that, not the abundance of energy. Talk about dense!!! So what do you know about capitalism and making solar panels? Give me the economics of mass production using automation to crank them out, billions of them. Lets get by the first facts, you will have to build a factory that creates jobs, and you will still have to have workers to maintain equipment which is more jobs, and people to deliver products & deliver completed panels which is more jobs, and people to install them and clean them which is more jobs, and people to oversee and run the systems which is more jobs, and people having that energy available at businesses is more businesses and more jobs and more people working is more tax revenue and more consumerism. etc.

    Now how much will mass production lower the costs of making and installing solar panels? $92. a square foot. Thats basically a one-time cost.
    http://www.statisticbrain.com/solar-energy-statistics/

    So how much can you lower that cost by going to mass production? Heres a hint, China can crank out a digital watch with all its little pieces and battery, and ship it here, an sell it for a $1. in a flea market. Now if you can't use that principle in America to lower solar panel costs, something is wrong. I also notice from that link there are 101 company's in America that have made all our solar panels.
     
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    Hmm, sun went out huh? You are still being radiated with energy from earth and your own body.
     
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    Hmm, this question is getting repetitious here. I assume you don't read threads before you post to them, so ask stupid questions already answered.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=336667&p=1063434446#post1063434446
     
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    You know solar is intermittent right? It is the material cost, that is why it is the most expensive energy out there. Not a one time cost at all. That part is also wrong.
     
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    I believe we could get into fusion power in two terms, but it will require some command economics and central planning, and a printing press at an official Mint to accomplish.
     

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