Yellen: European ban on Russian energy may do more harm than good

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  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    These kids are painfully naive. Or living in opaque bubbles.
     
  2. American

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    Sure, shaped by years of massive propaganda and censorship. It's likely few Russians have ever known any real truth, except what slips through the net accidently. So you go on admiring the situation of Russians spitting on sanctions. It must be comforting.

    https://www.fpri.org/article/2022/03/do-russians-really-long-for-war-in-ukraine/
     
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  3. zalekbloom

    zalekbloom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, I see Russian propaganda didn’t change much, the same as in the Soviet Union, but I agree that is very efficient with Russians.

    Assange is a political prisoner, but not because in the West there is no freedom of speech, because in the West there is no freedom to publish stolen information. Assange published stolen information.
    And the same is with 5 whistle whistle-blowers who filed 100 million dollar lawsuit – there is no freedom to leak secret information. The court will decide if they are right.

    But – you didn’t answer what do you think about my experiment:
    Go to Russia and say in a public square:
    Russia attacked Ukraine and Russian army is killing civilians.
    Go to any democratic country and say on a public square:
    There is no war in Ukraine only Special Military Operation and Russia is not killing civilians, only Ukrainian Nazis are killing civilians.
    What will the result of this experiment?

    I agree that an average Russian will answer:
    “4 dead in Ohio [​IMG] .. your "any democratic country" comment is funny ”. I
    n the Soviet language answer is called “And you are lynching Negroes”.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes

    In the Soviet Union scientist announced a new advanced computer who can answer any question. They invited American scientists to test it. Americans ask computer how much it is root from1000235 in a computer gave a correct answer, they asked what is the distance between Moon and the Earth and the computer give correct answer. To all questions the computer gave the correct answer.
    Then one American scientist asked a question: why in the Soviet Union there's not enough meat?

    Computer is thinking, thinking, thinking and then answers: And you are lynching Negroes.
     
  4. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Russia is pretty good .. the propaganda efficient for sure .. not nearly as good and efficient as the US propaganda machine but, not that far behind.

    Ya missed the memo on that one mate.. need to upgrade your understanding of "freedom of speech -information-press" Is completely legal to publish stolen information.. including the stuff Assange published .. a ruling upheld by Judge in DNC vs Trump and the Russians.
     
  5. zalekbloom

    zalekbloom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am not aware of the ruling upheld by Judge in DNC vs Trump and the Russians, but here you have details about Assange:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Assange#Espionage_indictment_in_the_United_States

    It proved it is not about a freedom of speech but about the freedom of publishing stolen information. Many powerful media got away with publishing stolen information, because the government was afraid of them, Assange is not as powerful and NYT or WAPO.

    Anyway, in the West we have a freedom of speech with Russia doesn’t have, which proves in the West you can say and publish whatever you think about any war, in Russia you cannot even call Russian invasion – invasion, you are obligated to call it Special Military operation.
    And if you protest against the war:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_anti-war_protests_in_Russia
     
  6. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What is this nonsense "Espionage indictment" .. don't blame me you can't use google. "DNC vs Trump and the Russians" and not surprising your not aware .. having no idea how free speech was challenged in relation to the Wiki-Leaks .. and the political clownshow surrounding the issue ..Blue going full on Anti ACLU .. Demonizing Dershowitz -

    Go now . and do some homework .. cite me something from DNC vs Trump and the Russians .. relevant to Free Speech - in hopes of passing the test ..

    and what does free speech in Russia have to do with the issue ? "Proved its not about freedom of speech" What a laugh that one is mate .. need to do the upgrade.. get with the program sooner rather than later.

    I await your test answer.
     
  7. George Bailey

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    China loves it. Petro China is printing making a killing.
     
  8. zalekbloom

    zalekbloom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Perfect post – I am sure your post will convince 99% of Russians that in Russia there is the same freedom of speech as in the US.
    Americans are little more critical. The "DNC vs Trump and the Russians" is a civil lawsuit:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee_v._Russian_Federation

    Assane was accused of publishing information stolen from US military:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Assange

    And the most important – using the algorithm ‘And you are lynching Negroes’(*) – you didn’t answer what do you think about my experiment:
    Go to Russia and say in a public square:
    Russia attacked Ukraine and Russian army is killing civilians.
    Go to any democratic country and say on a public square:
    There is no war in Ukraine only Special Military Operation and Russia is not killing civilians, only Ukrainian Nazis are killing civilians.
    What will the result of this experiment?

    (*) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes
     
  9. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I didn't say was the same .. keep the moronic strawmen to yourself .. go figure out what I said.. you said 15 years .. same here .. in that instance .. now go figure out the difference.

    and why are you posting links .. without citing from link ? how would anyone know what they are supposed to be looking for? so you start with strawman fallacy .. and continue with unintelligible gibberish . what are we supposed to be looking for ..


    Yes zalek .. thats what the convo is about .. how the Blue Clown-show was accusing Assange of publishing info stolen from US military.. which is exactly what Assange did .. is there a point to you telling us what the conversation is about .. or is this you just figuring it out now ?

    Did you perhaps want to add that the Blue were Accusing Assange "As if" what he did was illegal .. then went after him .. "As if" it was illegal .. the process continuing to this day .. but it is not "Illegal" as per "DNC vs Trump and the Russians" .. your trying to cry out "Civil" laughable nonsense .. as you havn't the faintest clue whether or not that makes a difference -- as there are things that apply equally in both civil and criminal .. but you have no clue what these things are.

    Regardless ... If you are wanting to claim that above action was not free speech .. prove your claim .. cite court rulings .. as I have done.
     
  10. Reality

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    And if you really believed there was a genocide of russians or restoring glorious russian imperial territory or whatever propaganda you've been told to advance, you'd be in greens but you're not.
     
  11. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

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    Yellen is not a politician. She has never held a political office or run for one. She is a college professor turned FED chairwoman who has no experience in international affairs. She has no idea what is good or bad for Russia or the U.S. either for that matter. I would say neither Biden nor Putin know what is good or bad for Russia. I would go so far as to say the Russian people don't know what is good or bad for Russia. The same is true of the American people and their country. Everyone is self interested. Nobody with political power is interested in peace and prosperity.
     

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