Yes, i'm a Trump supporter, i wear MAGA hats AND I'M BETTER THAN YOU

What you’re describing is better applied to Trump supporters. They live in a fairytale world. Most crime is peppered by whites, most terrorist acts are white conservative extremest and most racism is perpetrated by whites on non whites.

Geesus, you don’t even believe in science and education. You still believe in trickle down and for profit healthcare, none of which is practiced in any other free nation in the world. But keep making stuff up.

 

I can live with that. I also totally agree that it doesn't do any good to underestimate the number of Trump supporters there are out there. I could have been more clear stating that I was taking issue with the notion that 50% of the US are Trumpers. I think that's clearly not true, though your numbers are surely a more accurate reflection of voting age people. Thanks for pulling that together. :thumbs:

 

How do you do that with reduced budgets?

 

Having spent a lot of time around people on drugs, I am not ready to give up on the war on drugs.

 

All while reducing funding??

 

Tired of responding to these straw mans and red herrings.

I don't understand why it is so difficult to 1. separate racism from institutional racism and 2. to separate past institutional racism from current.

My position is simple and based on hard facts. If we analyze the police brutality BS, facts show twice as many whites are shot by cops than blacks are and at least half of those shooting minorities ARE minority cops. More white cops are killed by minorities than unarmed minorities are killed by cops. HARD FACTS show there is NO institutional racism in law enforcement, NONE.

HARD FACTS also show that with equal education, blacks and minorities actually slightly fare better than whites.. yes.. some studies show it's almost equal and some that even minorities do better. Asians, on average, outperform whites... where is the racism???? IT'S CULTURE... Asian culture is STUDY YOUR BRAINS OUT and stay out of trouble.... That is not american culture and especially not the culture within crime infested inner cities

The facts ARE FACTS... NO INSTITUTIONAL RACISM in law enforcement, educational system or work place. So.. why then are blacks slightly underrepresented % wise in economic status? and btw, this has rapidly been changing through the decades..

NOT BECAUSE OF CURRENT INSTITUTIONAL RACISM but 2 reasons - 1. Culture and 2. PAST institutional racism.

Here's the key concept and not very difficult to follow. #1 is partly a result of #2 but #2 is still consistent with my belief and what the hard facts show - no current institutional racism. Now, because of decades and over 100 years of systemic racism, IN THE PAST, it has taken a long time for things to normalize. Even though systemic racism today DOES NOT EXIST, past systemic racism has played a factor in some of what we see in some inner cities. My point is, we need to deal with the present, system racism is a thing of the past and now it's the culture in impoverished areas and also lack of good schools. If we could magically make schools better, do a better job at being parents, that solves the problems... 100% of the problem is kids not going to school and parents doing a terrible job raising kids... this has nothing to do with systemic racism, today.

 

Well, you found a few entertainers and a politician. Why don’t you actually talk to a few blacks rather then make sht up.

 

you don't, you take the budget from one area and move it to the other while reducing the work load of the other, think your starting to get it now, in fact it may add to the budget

 

so your saying the war on drugs doesn't work, people abuse if it's legal or not, so making it a crime for those that do not abuse is ok with you?

do you feel the same about alcohol prohibition?

I say arrest people if they commit crimes on drugs or alcohol, not for the drugs themselves - offer treatment options for those that have addictive personalities

 

The backs i now are doing pretty well.. they don't believe they are oppressed. The list of successful black rich people is too long for me to list here... that's a good thing but i doubt you care, you rather have blacks be poor so it can be used to advance your narrative that there is oppression.

 

Yeah, if a child dies from a heroin overdose, the family is within its rights to demand the death penalty for the dealer and everyone in the chain. It would have to subject to approval of a jury under the constitution.

 

The problem no one is seeing is that there are no cops who are bad all the time. Sometimes they crack. So you can remove them when they go over the line, but it's not like they are going over the line every day in every case. Obviously they are not trained to be homicidal racists at the academy. The guy who shoots an unarmed protester in the back might have saved a baby the day before.

 

How do you identify a bad cop before he goes over the line? How can you be sure a good cop will never go over the line?

 

You have not reduced the workload. You have increased it. It will require just about the same number of police because they will have to respond to about the same events as before. Additionally, you are going to add non-law enforcement people. Plus, you want better quality and more training. $$$$$$$

 

By what rational thought process do you conclude that @Lee Atwater supports the usurpation of power based on his observation that Trump has called the press the enemy of the people?

Disingenuous bit of twisted word play you've tossed out with this post mate.

Oooo, Trump said something, blah blah blah, it doesn't matter what he says, is your position is it?

He didn't just say something - he's the Potus and therefore in that capacity when he speaks, the Potus speaks.

Everything he's said since taking office he's said as the Potus.

The Potus has therefore said that the Press are the Enemy of the People.

His administration has in fact moved to shutdown the press, or at least the few of the ones whose funding he can control.

Stars and Stripes

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbr...ar-old-stars-and-stripes-newspaper-for-troops

PBS and NPR

https://deadline.com/2020/02/donald-trump-public-media-pbs-npr-1202856498/



https://www.stripes.com/news/us/ten...estore-funding-for-stars-and-stripes-1.644463

 

which is fine, it makes the people safer and allows police to do their real job

 

cops that watch a cop put his knee on a man's neck..... killing him over many minutes.... should have know that was a bad cop and stopped him

how do cops stop any criminals they witness committing a crime in front of them? bad cops should be treated like criminals by good cops as that is what they are

you think if the cops came and a man was putting his knee on his tied up girlfriends neck, they would not of done something?

 

Okay, so this is just what I was talking about. You can't substantiate you position with facts, so you resort to garbage. That's step 1.

Government officials, academic researchers and media outlets launched data-collection projects around that time to better understand the frequency of police violence and the risk factors that contribute to it. From these growing data sets come some disturbing findings. About 1,000 civilians are killed each year by law-enforcement officers in the United States. By one estimate, Black men are 2.5 times more likely than white men to be killed by police during their lifetime1. And in another study, Black people who were fatally shot by police seemed to be twice as likely as white people to be unarmed2.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z

Step 2 will be to refuse to accept the factual evidence refuting your position. That's called denial.

Step 3 will be to solidify your erroneous position as part of your belief system in the face of factual refutation.

That, my friend, is the essence of Trumpery.

A widely touted study found no evidence of racism in police shootings. It’s full of errors.

"A deeply flawed study of police shootings, published in an influential journal, has been retracted by its authors. This is a positive step for the crucial debate on police violence, because pundits continue to use this baseless article to dismiss concerns over racial bias in policing."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/07/15/police-shooting-study-retracted/

 

Source?

 

How are you going to do it with reduced funding?

 

reducing funding to one department and adding funding for the other that took over those job duties.... this is not reducing funding, no one said it would

 

So, you’re for fascism when it suits you and the minority apartheid retains the only voting rights.
That explains everything for Trump supporters. No wonder voter suppression is the mainstay of the gop.
You guys hate elections. Wow.

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2]characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy[3] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[4]

 

You can't. On both counts.

 

Gee, that’s pretty non scientific. The Trump supporters I know are all bigoted.

 

At least thirteen large cities are reducing funding to the police.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemima...ing-their-police-departments/?sh=69f63d3e29e3

You will still have normal police functions which you cannot replace with something else. i.e. crimes, murders , highway patrol. In addition you will have these special responses where people cannot be treated like criminals. However you will generally need police to go along with them to protect them. This adds to the number of people. I don't see where you are going to reduce funding to any department and you are adding people. All of this new concept requires new additional training.