You are poor and struggling to make a living because (capitalist bullshit)

1. You are lack of good character. (You are lazy, etc)
2. The economy is characterized by scarcity of resources and it's impossible for everybody to live in dignity.
3. Freedom is the highest value and rich people obtain their wealth through rewarding enterprise and any attempt to redistribute their wealth is dangerous, immoral and devastating to the economy and ultimately to the overall welfare of the society.
4. Greed is a virtue.

As a matter of fact, none of the above arguments is tenable.

The US has a long history of smearing true socialism as totalitarianism.
True socialism is inherently democratic and it raises the meaning of freedom to a higher level: freedom means the responsibility towards one another.

What was practiced in Venezuela, NK, the Soviet Union was not socialism, but totalitarianism.
What has been practiced in the c country is not socialism but national capitalism.

The capitalists in the US are the worst.
Their greed and narrow-mindedness are appalling.

 

Strange definition. I appears to have taken the free out of freedom. True freedom means no responsibility whatsoever. Do what I want whenever I want wherever I want. Of course, no one has that much freedom.

 

Hi, kriman.
It sounds strange, but it's not actually.
Doing whatever you want is not freedom just as forced coition is not love.
Love means respect and responsibility.

You need to have a hang of philosophy to understand all these.
Most Americans (I'm not talking about people here) are very dumb.
Their thoughts are shallow and easily swayed by all kinds of brainwash and propaganda.
They need a true philosopher. That's why I'm here.
But I already sound conceited.

 

Delusional was the word that first came to my mind.

 

I foresaw that. I knew what your reaction would be like. And I'm not offended, because I know your weight.

 

Fascinating. I am happy that you are not offended, because that certainly was not my intent. Tell me, oh True Philosopher, what is my weight?

 

The issue is the vanguard party has always ended up seizing power. In order to transform the economy in such a way you need massive, unprecedented state control, and this tends to corrupt most humans.

The only viable model has been shown to be limited, representative government. Within that broad tent you can have social safety nets, as demonstrated by much of the developed world.

This is not 1865. There are exactly zero deaths due to acute starvation in my country and yours. This is part of why the left in both our countries has progressively moved away from their old working class whites base to a coalition of minorities, academics and media elites - the old style agitation for class war along socioeconomic grounds has lost its immediacy. So they've decided to agitate for class war along racial grounds instead.

I very much sympathize with the old style of leftist over the new sort.

While pragmatic social safety nets can be achieved in constitutional representative government, racial segregation cannot.

 

Neither is forced responsibility.

 

Sure, sure

Capitalism is so bad it forced America to be the richest nation on earth

 

Yup, and pookas are real. Right, Harvey?

 

I think America is more divided today than any time since 1860

And that led to a bloody civil war

 

Why do you confuse capitalism and socialism as political systems. They are economic systems and they are present in NK, Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela and a few other places. I don't know what the C country is but if you mean China then China is capitalism within a totalitarian political system. While capitalism can exist within a totalitarian system, socialism cannot exist in a democratic one. Check it out and stop reading the propaganda that is confusing you.

 

It is also entirely possible for a reply to be a non sequitur, a strawman, AND a shameless troll, all at the same time.

 

...a nation where the poverty line places you in the top 1% of the world's wage earners.
...a nation that has lifted more people out of poverty than any other.
...a nation where literally anyone can work 1 extra day per week, and use the proceeds to retire a millionaire.
...a nation to which people are literally dieing to immigrate, and will do so by any means possible.

Yeah, America and its capitalism is a real scourge on humanity.

 

Government ownership of the means of production is Socialism. The Government enforces their ownership by establishing a weapon monopoly, outlawing private ownership of firearms. Once they have authoritarian control, they can tell you what to think and what to say. They own you.

We see hints of this in the US left. They attack people for disagreeing with them. They terrorized Ted Cruz's family because they don't agree with him. Facebook and Twitter, mini-totalitarian environments use their power to control speech, just like Fidel did in Cuba ,,, but they killed ideas electronically.

The Red Hen owner not only kicked Sarah Huckabee Sanders out of her restaurant for thoughts she disagreed with, but when Sarah left, that Socialist followed her family to another establishment and harassed them there --- because they were related to someone she disagreed with.

No different than the way the Chicoms treat people they disapprove of.

The only difference between Socialist countries and Totalitarian Regimes is time. It's a matter of time before the genocide begins in Socialist Countries.

 

Well said

 

Capitalism unfortunately breeds corruption and greed....if it were not for the people at the top it would be quite a good system

 

Socialism does too

All the communist dictators and party workers lived high above the common people

 

Ahem while being led by a socialist eh?

 

Then that is not the correct form of communism.

 

No

 

1. Lol, every attempt to practice socialism (and there have been dozens of them) ends in unmitigated disaster, complete societal collapse, poverty, misery and bloodshed and each time the proponents turn around and bleat "it wasn't real socialism, we'll do it for real next time".... puhlease

2. Freedom is freedom, responsibility to each other is collective responsibility. The concepts have nothing in common... that you're trying to redefine the meaning of universal concepts that have existed as long as the human race is a definite confirmation that socialists have learned absolutely nothing and continue playing the same old failed playbook.

War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, 1984 is 2019 duh

 

Yeah the New Deal was a socialist movement to empower the common workers, sorry but it is the truth along with a strong collective of humans fighting a war in which we won, before the war the capitalist system was limping along at best....The greatest increase in wealth for humans was due to the industrial revolution..

 

I dont care about people who dont care about themselves.

 

The New Deal did not empower American workers

Through public works programs it put some money into workers pockets when jobs were hard to find

But it did little to revive the economy

If not for WWII who knows how long the Depression might have lasted?

And it was not sovialism