You See Why Moslem Soldiers Get And Deserve Zero Respect

You sure you wanna go there? Because that's really gonna open up a can of worms for you later on.

 

This is a weird story and target practice at foetuses in the womb is clearly unacceptable by anyone and clearly would be known to be so by anyone who indulged in it. I was expecting to discover it was some heart eating cannibals so went looking for who is being blamed....the weirdness continues

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...-snipers-use-unborn-babies-as-target-practice

something doesn't ring true.

 

As I mentioned snipers was standard procedure in the former Ottoman Empire. It was used in the first major massacre on the island of Chios in 1822 during the Greek revolution, and later on to ethnically cleanse areas in the Balkans. Shooting armed combatants won't chase people away, shooting and killing civilians will. They have reasons for doing these things.

 

Assad said the war would stop in three months if arms were stopped. Anyway they did decide on a date in November for the Geneva II peace talks. There was a problem with a group of rebels, (supported by Turkey of course), who said they wouldn't attend. Now was Turkey's arm twisted, were they bribed, of did the U.S. & Russia say what the heck, we will have the peace talks without them.

I know Russia says everyone should be invited to the talks. Does that include Israel as well as Iran and Turkey? Just curious!

 

Muslims historically have been far less into mass killing for the sake of it than Christians. There was one instance, when they were on the wane, mentioned in our documentary on them last week which turned everyone against them but it was also thought it was grossly exaggerated. So yes, they may have retaliated against dissent but if you think of deliberate bloodbaths/attempts at Genocide, there is no question that the Christians far excelled the Muslims at that one - the even ate Muslim children during the Crusades!

 

The easiest way to get people aroused is to spread lies, and in the Middle East the land of conspiracy theories, lies can travel very fast. Now who would want to arouse them against China and Azerbaijan?

 

Not certain , but I think the Russians meant all those directly involve or wish to be involved. I suspect Israel would wish to remain behind the screens . THey'll no doubt take full advantage of Syria's civil war , enabling them to hold on the their illegal occupation.annexation of the Golan Heights + their ever expanding borders .. Lebensraum .


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I agree with the above poster and the other poster who pointed out the shots are fake for the very reasons they have and from my own experience of having had to bag body parts.

Bullets let alone any fragment, shell, ball, pellet won't act in the manner being suggested.


Not interested in bashing Muslims because extremists have hijacked their religion.

Far as I am concerned once you put flesh in a bag, it all smells and looks the same.

 

While I am definitely leaning towards the story being about as substantial as a typical NYT story, my point was that it's impossible to determine that it was an "accident" - especially if the X-ray was photoshopped. So really, what we have is someone excusing the behavior of Muslims in Syria by attempting to lessen/negate what they're doing. Any poster doing that is indeed an apologist for Muslim extremism and Islamic behavior.

 

very true

If you are referring to Christians eating Muslim Children, I need to tell you it has been admitted to by Christians on my tv. They claimed to be very hungry.

For the rest, you do understand that the Ottoman Empire was quite different to Islam in the ME, for instance, certainly at the height of their power, the Ottoman's used Christians in their army, not Muslims

 

I never heard of the Express before. Are they known to have ever run a false story to promote some agenda or other?

I have never heard of a modern army using snipers other than to clear all personnel from an area. Mostly, they aim for center of body mass. This doesn't smell right to an old soldier.

 

The Express is one of our tabloid papers marginally better than the Daily Mail, used in the OP. There is very little information and I agree it does not seem to add up.

 

Just couldn't resist a little Israel bashing now could you.

Nothing like exploiting a civil war and death for another political agenda hmmm?

You want to debate why Israel took the Golan Heights please start a thread. I will be glad to respond.

Better still, you really do need to come to Israel and physically see for yourself where the Golan Heights are and talk to the people who were shelled continuously until Israel occupied it.

Lol like you would do that.

In fact I must ask, for someone who is so quick to turn this thread into an anti Israeli message have you ever been shot at? You know what it is like to have snipers shoot at you when you sit on a tractor or try walk with your dog? You know what it is like to have twenty seconds to run to a shelter when a missile is in-coming?

You have any idea just how small and compact the Golan Heights is let alone the size of the entire nations of Israel, Lebanon and Syria and how close to one another they are?

I doubt it.

 

FYI - I've been to Israel/Palestine TWICE - first pre 67 and next AFTER 67 - Holy land tours - Both times didn't see any Angels - just Demons .

No - I didn't visit Golan , but I've read abt it - can't make up my mind abt it, but one thing I'm inclined to conclude is that Israeli version is well presented by the world's most accomplished liars.

The answer is YES -

There you go again - same old Zionist Jewish trick - playing the victim, trying to gain sympathy --. ( little Israel surrounded by trillions of blood thirsty Arabs ) -


Its BS and you know it.


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Now that's funny! There were tales even among the Jews that Jewish babies were killed in churches because of the 'Eucharist' we take as the Body and Blood of Christ. Massacres were common everywhere though when a city refused to surrender, but what I'm thinking about is the ethnic cleansing going on since the breakup of the Ottoman Empire. If you notice it's the Palestinian Muslims who are trying to take their land back not the Christians. The Christians have all left, and yet they are more entitled to the land since they were there a lot longer. I mean for heaven's sake all the Muslims and Jews were killed when Jerusalem was taken in the First Crusade. the Christians are the original inhabitants.

 

As I've said I've not been to Golan but I've found this (for what its worth)


" In 1997, years after Dayan died, an Israeli journalist, Rami Tal, published conversations he had with Dayan in 1976. In that conversation Dayan claimed that 80 percent of the cross-border clashes between Israel and Syria in the years before the war were a result of Israeli provocation (Dayan was not Defense minister at the time)

He admitted:

"I know how at least 80 percent of the clashes there started. In my opinion, more than 80 percent, but let's talk about 80 percent. It went this way: We would send a tractor to plough someplace where it wasn't possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn't shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance farther, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot. And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that's how it was"

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Also, later, he stated his regrets:

" I made a mistake in allowing the Israel conquest of the Golan Heights. As defense minister I should have stopped it because the Syrians were not threatening us at the time [fourth day of the war].
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He also portrayed the desire of the residents in the Kibbutzim beneath the Golan Heights that they be captured as stemming from the desire for their agricultural land and not primarily for security reasons. This description was hotly denied by the Kibbutz leaders (the Hula Valley kibbutzim did not get any land on the Golan).



About Dayan's comments, Israeli ambassador to the United States Michael Oren has said[71]

There is an element of truth to Dayan's claim, but it is important to note that Israel regarded the de-militarized zones in the north as part of their sovereign territory and reserved the right to cultivate them—a right that the Syrians consistently resisted with force. Syria also worked to benefit from the Jordan river before it flowed into Israel, aiming to get use of it as a water source; Syria also actively supported Palestinian resistance movements against Israel.

Israel occasionally exploited incidents in the de-militarized zones to strike at the Syrian water diversion project and to punish the Syrians for their support of the Palestinian resistance.

- I did not visit Golan but - go to wiki - I'm sure there are other similar sources.

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Well, you gotta get out of the tour bus to see the angels, I'd imagine.

Looking at a map, it appears so.

Maybe not trillions, but bloodthirsty Arabs? Hmm - (looks at Syria) - yeah, I guess you're right after all. That adjective works pretty well, I suppose.

 

Not worth comment - Zzzzzzzzz.

 

I know the Arabs and Turks are culturally different with no relationship other than their faith. As for Christians being in their armies, I don't think the Turks would have trusted the Christians unless they converted. There were a lot of Greek turn coats, and even the notorious Babarossa brothers had a Greek mother.

I know the Janissaries were Christian boys who were raised as Muslims to fight for the Sultan. One of the taxes Christians were forced to pay was to give one of their sons to the Sultan. The boy chosen was given some money and told to head for Constantinople. If he didn't die on the way, he became a soldier and was told his family was killed by the Christians. This of course aroused the requisite hatred in him, and they could be ferocious.

The families with sons wouldn't register their births so they wouldn't be taken, and because of this there are no family records in Greece. The Greeks would also head for the mountains, and soon these Greeks would become the famous 'klephts' who started off kidnapping Europeans for ransom, and ended up fighting the Turks. With the backing of Russia and later on with Grecophiles like Lord Byron, the Ottoman Empire began to break up.

 

And yet you just did!

 

What a load of Tom tit.
Aye remember in Kuwait sad dam soldiers were bayoneting children in incubators, the mother herself crying on NBC news.
More Tom tit.
It was the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador lying to get the soldiers on the ground, and public opinion on the side of the thrives in us and uk revenue.

If you wish to look for the death squads, look closer the the USA and uk military positions.
The mail..... You must be kidding!
Highlander

 

This guy says the Mail is a good news source.

 

Chances are good we'll never agree on much else but I can cross the aisle and shake hands for common sense.
I'll read along this thread and when/if I find a medical "expert" proclaim that sorry excuse for a picture to be valid I'll know exactly what BS smells like in print.

 

I understand what your saying hence my comment on terminal ballistics. A proper sniper rifle will not stop or tumble in the human body. Of course it's possible to be shot at such a great distance that any bullet from any rifle will stop in the body. At those distances attempting to hit a fetus is ridiculous. A sniper will be luckier than a lottery winner to hit the larger body target of the mother.

Take away the proper sniper rifle and use the common but less powerful AK -47. Same logic applies. Notoriously inaccurate weapon designed solely for functionality. The range decreases but the same concept remains. Lodging a bullet inside the skull of a fetus at range where the projectile would stop there is like hitting the lottery. Pure luck not intentional.

 

It does make sense. If the bullet is traveling that slow the shooter is obviously at such a great distance they might have been shooting at a guy 30 ft away from the point of impact. The wind pushes them little pills around quite a bit. I have no faith that most of the Islamists running around with guns understand ballistics.