You Will Regret Your Abortion

Pro-lifers are just parroting what they have been told: "life begins at conception." They seem to be unable to reason about the matter, since life already exists before conception takes place. The real question is "when is the life worthy of protection by society?" That is why pro-choicers have widely varying opinions, and that is why the matter of abortion should be left to individual discretion.

Please read this link to answer your question about differences:
http://eileen.undonet.com/Main/7_R_Eile/Human_Metamorphosis.html

 

Junkieturtle said,

You say two different things here. You say society reflects morality. Prior to 1973 abortion was considered immoral. Sodomy was once considered immoral. The laws changes…morality changes. Are you suggesting that our lawmakers make laws that are immoral? In that case why follow them, enforce them?

Then you say you would not agree with the new rape law….even if society agreed with it. THAT IS WHAT PRO-LIFERS FEEL ABOUT ABORTION. IT IS STILL IMMORAL AND SHOULD BE REVERSED.

Get it?


"No we don't. The only person allowed to initiate an abortion is the mother. There are no laws against animals having abortions, only laws against other people killing them needlessly. If animals were sentient beings on the same level as humans, I have no doubt that abortion would be legal for them as well. I believe it is the right of any sentient being to be able to determine what will and will not happen within their own body."

No abortion would take place unless the doctor did it. If a woman walks into PP and pays the fee…stands in line, lays on the table…and the doctor says no….NO ABORTION WOULD TAKE PLACE. HE DOES THE ACTUAL KILLING…NOT THE WOMAN. She still is accountable…but if abortion were illegal the majority of woman would not get even illegal abortions. Prior to Roe…abortion took place…but not on the scale it is today.

As I said…animals have more right than human life in the womb. Hollywood starts go to bat for seals, eagles, dolphins…etc…not unborn children.

Emotions? yea…I agree. What moral issue does not have to do with some emotional connection? You say abortion should not be allowed after a certain time…right? Why? Get emotional about it do you? Looks more like a baby so…its harder to kill?
Pro-aborts don't like pro-choicers holding signs…gee wonder why? Pictures show the inhumanity of abortion. It shows what the pro-choicers condone…and that is death to living human children. THAT IS EMOTIONAL. RAPE IS EMOTIONAL. CHILD PORN GETS EMOTIONAL…THAT IS IF THE PERSON VIEWING IT HAS A HEART. And obviously most pro-aborts are lacking in that organ.

That is a good (*)(*)(*)(*) question…a million dollar one. It is a question that pro-aborts are afraid will be addressed by the Surpreme Court. Our laws are wishy washy…no personhood…personhood. The law makes no sense.

Abortion legal because its the woman's body….her right, personal decision. Then the courts take it away…her rights to her own body. If that was true….abortion would be legal the entire nine months.

 

Approximately one million abortions took place in this country yearly prior to RvW. The number of abortions performed is not affected much by legality. Take a look at other countries where abortion is illegal. I know you would like to think it is a simple as passing a law to prevent abortions, but it is not that simple. Other things, such as national health care, available day care, etc. have more effect.

http://eileen.undonet.com/Main/7_R_Eile/Numbrs.htm

One thing we can do with this chart is estimate the number of illegal abortions performed.

In 1973 eg there were 615,831 legal abortions and these resulted in 25 deaths and the deaths from illegal abortions numbered 21. Since in truth the abortion providers both legal and illegal were at that time pretty similar in skill we could anticipate that there were also ~600,000+ illegal abortions performed or in total ~1,200,000 abortions in 1973. There really was not an increase in the number of abortions performed by legalizing - just a huge decrease in women's deaths from them, as the skill, and surroundings in which abortions were performed, improved.

 

A human person life begins at conception. You were conceived that is when your life began, I do not know of any human person that exists that did not come from a fertilised egg. Please tell me then if it did not begin then when did your life begin?.

 

Of course abortion being legalised means more abortions. When abortion was illegal there was far less abortions happening. To say otherwise is a lie. When abortion was made legal the increase in this procedeure was year on year, until now it has sort of evened out and they are more or less the same number, but when abortion was first legalised the amount of people getting abortions was far less compared to now.

 

How can anyone say how many illegal anbortions there was?.

 

There were approximately the same number of abortions occurring.

http://eileen.undonet.com/Main/7_R_Eile/Numbrs.htm
One thing we can do with this chart is estimate the number of illegal abortions performed.

In 1973 eg there were 615,831 legal abortions and these resulted in 25 deaths and the deaths from illegal abortions numbered 21. Since in truth the abortion providers both legal and illegal were at that time pretty similar in skill we could anticipate that there were also ~600,000+ illegal abortions performed or in total ~1,200,000 abortions in 1973. There really was not an increase in the number of abortions performed by legalizing - just a huge decrease in women's deaths from them, as the skill, and surroundings in which abortions were performed, improved.

 

How can anyone claim to know this?. No one done a survey and asked women did you have an illegal abortion, and even if they did ask every woman, how many will say yes I did. You are making irrational assumptions, during an illegal abortion there was only probably the abortionist and the mother, during a legal abortion there would be more medical staff, implements would probably be more clean etc. Just by saying that this number of women died having illegal abortions and this number having legal abortions does not mean anything it is complete conjecture. Also how do I know how reliable this source is?.

 

Read the article and check the references.

 

Lack of placental attachment

They might - I have never met a "pro-abortionist so I would not know

Because WE are individuals who have not swallowed propaganda and disinformation wholesale!!

 

Then why do so many conceptions fail to become humans - the attrition rate is greater than 70%

 

Bowerbird said,

I have met several one being one of them. Your position denies protection to the unborn…that is pro-abortion.

The truth is the truth…abortion kills living human beings. That is what you condone because you deny protection to them.

 

What is your point?.
If there was conception then I believe they were human beings.
I asked you a question and I would appreciate it if you answered it, when did YOUR life begin?.

 

The sperm comes from a human being…it is human. The egg comes from a living human being, it is human. The life in the womb is human as were all parts before conception.

 

Maybe not.
There's a chance the woman might not even live long enough after the procedure to regret her decission.

"A 24-year-old woman recently died at one of the Planned Parenthood clinics in Chicago shortly after having an abortion. Tonay Reaves was rushed to the hospital after she began bleeding heavily after the procedure. Her death was ruled an accident by the Cook County Medical Examiner, but both her pregnancy and the abortion were listed as contributing factors." July 23, 2012
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-abortion-death-0723-20120723,0,5169165.story

 

Every minute, at least one woman dies from complications related to pregnancy or childbirth – that means 529 000 women a year. In addition, for every woman who dies in childbirth, around 20 more suffer injury, infection or disease – approximately 10 million women each year.
http://www.who.int/features/qa/12/en/index.html

That is from a World Health Organization article; the figures are for women worldwide. Studies show abortion is 10 to 14 times safer than childbirth.

 

http://www.americanpregnancy.org/main/statistics.html


4,058,000 live births in America…...
1,995,840 pregnancy losses

600,000 women experience pregnancy loss through miscarriage
1,200,000 women experience pregnancy loss through termination ONE MILLION TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND ABORTIONS. I DOUBT THIS INCLUDES THE MORNING AFTER PILL.
64,000 women experience pregnancy loss through ectopic pregnancy
6,000 women experience pregnancy loss through molar pregnancies
26,000 women experience pregnancy loss through stillbirth

ONLY ONE OF THESE LOSSES…INVOLVES PURPOSELY KILLING….THAT IS ABORTION.

******875,000 woman experience one or more pregnancy complications
458,952 babies are born to mothers without adequate prenatal care
467,201 babies are born prematurely
307,030 babies are born with Low Birth Weight

Maternal Mortality

Every day, approximately 800 women die (AROUND THE WORLD NOT THE UNITED STATES) from preventable causes related to pregnancy and childbirth. PREVENTABLE
99% of all maternal deaths occur in developing countries.
Maternal mortality is higher in women living in rural areas and among poorer communities.
Young adolescents face a higher risk of complications and death as a result of pregnancy than older women.
Skilled care before, during and after childbirth can save the lives of women and newborn babies.
Between 1990 and 2010, maternal mortality worldwide dropped by almost 50%154,051 children are born with Birth Defects
27,864 infants die before their first birthday

"The risk of maternal mortality around the world is highest for adolescent girls under 15 years old.1, 2 Complications in pregnancy and childbirth are the leading cause of death among adolescent girls in most developing countries." America is not a developing country.

WHY DO WOMEN DIE? This section I like the most. Notice that they include that safe procedure you pro-aborts call abortion. Guess its not that safe eh?

"Women die as a result of complications during and following pregnancy and childbirth. Most of these complications develop during pregnancy. Other complications may exist before pregnancy but are worsened during pregnancy. The major complications that account for 80% of all maternal deaths are:

severe bleeding (mostly bleeding after childbirth)
infections (usually after childbirth)
high blood pressure during pregnancy (pre-eclampsia and eclampsia)
unsafe abortion.
The remainder are caused by or associated with diseases such as malaria, and AIDS during pregnancy.

The article said…."Most maternal deaths are avoidable, as the health-care solutions to prevent or manage complications are well known."

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs348/en/index.html

This is an older stat but shows how many children were born in 2005.

"According to UNFPA there were 130 million babies born in 2005."

If pregnancy was that dangerous…..we have a lot of women who are idiots around the world thats for sure.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_babies_are_born_worldwide_each_year#ixzz22olmq0qu

 

Surprising that this was even put in the papers…most deaths do not make it because families don't what the woman's name in the paper. This family probably is suing…and won't settle.

 

Abortion is unsafe where it is criminalized. Have you been paying attention?

 

Gee there just was a girl from Chicago who died from an abortion performed…….PLANNED PARENTHOOD. Of course they took no responsibility for her death….she just bled out. Will be a law suit no doubt…that is why her name was in the news.

 

This was a news event because it rarely happens. Abortion is 10 to 14 times safer than childbirth.

 

I have given this topic a lot of thought, even though it is not something I like to think about.

Women are going to have abortions regardless of the legality of the issue. History proves this.

Even though I am against abortion, it would be better to have it done in a clean and sanitary place rather than a "coathanger in a closet" or in some "greasy backalley bathroom".

I only hope a person considers carefully before they choose.

 

There are risks and complications with every surgical procedure. There are risks and complications with pregnancy too. Women should be free to weigh these risks and make their own choice.

If we banned every surgical procedure because some people have died from it we would lose even more people due to having those procedures banned.

 

Despite the propaganda put out by pro-life women usually do put careful consideration into this. Imagine it yourself - you have been told you need an operation - and it is up to you to go ahead or not - you are not going to go ahead without considering risk benefits.

 

CAdy and group say abortion is safe and nobody dies from it. You have no idea the cases that don't make it into the papers.