Zelensky called on NATO to carry out preventive (Nuclear) strikes against Russia

Well, 'professor', if you'll just be kind enough to define YOUR terms and tell us all what YOU mean instead of just burping out a one-word response, like "infrastructure", the causes of both communication and understanding can best be served.

Every account I've heard or seen about the majority of Russian roadways is that they are, uh, 'somewhat-adequate' at best. But, since you've been there (?), you're welcome to tell us all how good the Russian 'infrastructure' is -- once someone drives more than about 100 km outside of any Russian cities that actually do qualify as being "21st-century"....

But, if you'd like to get off the "infrastructure" angle you posed in your one-word reply earlier, and talk about war-fighting capabilities involving nuclear weapons instead, we can surely do that! To that end, what's Russia even GOT once Moscow, St. Petersburg, and about three other cities are destroyed...? By contrast, it would hurt horribly for NATO to lose its five largest metro areas in a war -- but whereas we would survive it, Russia most assuredly WOULD NOT....

Surely nobody (NOBODY) in the world wants that! Everybody needs to stop fighting and go 'back to the table'. Either we settle this with some kind of totally new 'Minsk Agreement', or, we get millions of people killed. What's it to be...?





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In all fairness, Russia has traditionally been a "railroad country".

 

Agreed! And if someone were to interdict that line that runs to Vladivostok, a vast swath of Russia would have no reliable means of large-volume traffic at all. Oh, they've got two (TWO) high-speed passenger trains -- one runs from Moscow to St. Petersburg (a relatively short distance), and one runs from Moscow to Nizhny Novgorod... very 'space-age', but compared to 'the West' it is nothing of much significance.

Their roads are a horror once you get out of the major towns, and there aren't even very many of those, as I've pointed out before. And if anyone blockaded the Gulf of Finland and the Bosporus/Dardanelles Straits, Russia would have no dependably warm-water ports, except for Vladivostok, which is way the hell over on the Pacific Ocean, many thousands of miles away from Moscow.

Honestly, Putin may have bitten off more than he can chew this time... and for the sake of the people of Russia who many of us have no animosity toward, this is a great pity....




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Are you saying Esau is lying about being a teacher of history?

It’s you who’s made the assumption about Esau. You haven’t allowed the possibility that he may have that experience and that is exactly what I am telling you – he may have. Maybe you should ask him instead of "making the assumption" that he hasn't?

It certainly would but I don’t think you really want to go there. You can ask me if you want but it will be difficult for you to hear so maybe you ought to leave it.

Oh yes. That I do.

Does this rhetorical question mean that you are inviting me to tell you what I know and how I came to know it? Are you sure?

… or something equally credible.

Yes, I follow your logic but it is misplaced.

I’ll bet you’re going to tell me that you think he meant that literally, right?

That’s right, I said "propaganda" and I’m sticking to that statement.

 

Are you misrepresenting yourself, as someone who can read? I had agreed with your initial postulate which, if you have already forgotten, and lack the mental sense of direction to refer back to it, on your own, was this:

Thingamabob said: ↑
1). It can be safely concluded that a teacher of history from/in/educated in the UK knows a thing or two about history itself. Can we agree on that?

I then added, as you'd quoted me:

DEFinning said: ↑
That's funny. First of all, I'll agree with your #1, but that doesn't get you anywhere near a defense for Esau.


As a further reminder, for any who inexplicably need it, Esau's contention, which you had been supporting, after I had asked him, how his being a British teacher made him an expert on the U.S. education system:

Esau said: ↑
you forget I'm a history teacher from UK. Americans don't study history further than 10 years ago. In the UK we study history from 6000 years ago.

So please explain to me how my reiterating my original position, essentially, by agreeing with you, that Esau's being a history teacher from the U.K. (which we are both accepting, on faith), means that he "knows a thing or two about history itself," but adding that this in no way suggests he would know very much, in particular, about how history is taught, in American schools, in any way suggests that I am, "saying Esau is lying about being a teacher of history?"

Your very first comment, is utterly non sequitur to what you had quoted and were purporting (fraudulently, it turns out) yourself to be answering. I am here giving you notice (& I have not read any further, yet, into your reply), that if this is the kind of nonsense one must deal with, to "debate" something with you, I will not be going through all the effort I did, for your first irrational response, many more times, before I deem you incapable of carrying on an intelligent conversation (fyi).

OMG! First off-- I DID ASK HIM! This was in my only reply to Esau, to which he has not responded, but to which you replied! Obviously, I need produce this for you, as well:

DEFinning said: ↑
How would your supposed credentials of being a "history teacher from the U.K.," give you any knowledge about what Americans study? You sound like a history teacher, who believes himself to be a doctor: that is, someone who has a natural belief that he just knows everything, even if he hasn't studied it, based on his, self-assessed, mighty intellect.
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So, you see, I did ask him, why he thinks he would know anything about the specifics of the teaching of history, in U.S. schools, when the qualification that he listed, himself, would not logically imply that he would automatically, have any specific knowledge at all, about our U.S. system.
Are you faulting me for not figuring out, for Esau, what conditions, that he had failed to mention, might give some credence to his claim?

That only supports the stereotype some Yankees have of non Americans: that you expect us to do everything for you. If it had been the case that Esau had gained knowledge of the thing he expressed an opinion about, from residence in the states, would you see it as unreasonable to expect him to mention this, himself, without need of cueing, from me?

After now your first two swings at responses being this wildly off, and inapplicable to my comments-- a third one, in this single, overall reply, and I will call you, "out." I wonder if you'll make it to the end of your answering post, without another non sequitur response.




Well, it turns out, that you didn't really say much more, in your short retorts. I notice you did leave out my final point, after confirming your original contention, about our media--

-- that this would then imply that I should NOT believe the impression I have received, from that media, that many first world, foreign countries, have schooling that is superior, to our own. In fact, the example of your counter "argument," would seem to belie that reporting.



In the end, you have acknowledged that you believe that merely hanging out in American chat rooms, is a legitimate basis for lecturing Americans, about their own education system:

DEFinning said: ↑
#2:"anyone who's... invested a great deal of time on American-dominated discussion forums (no matter what country they come from) might know quite a bit about the educational system in the US." Well, that would include you, too, wouldn't it, Thingamabob?

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And so you would contend, that you know "quite a bit," about our educational system?

Well I believe that I could learn more about the specifics of the Norwegian school system (for hypothetical example), in a 15 minute segment, on our news program 60 Minutes, than you would pick up, specifically about the history curriculum of U.S. schools, in 10 years of exchanging barbs, with American posters. This is particularly true because your style, I think it is fair to say, is a confrontational one, of telling others, what you know to be true, and telling those with differing views, that they are wrong, rather than really discussing differences of opinion, with an open mind.

But, since I do have an open mind, prove me wrong. What have you specifically learned, about the teaching of history, in the U.S., from your time on Political Forum, today?
How about this week?
Anything, this month?
Then, this year?

 

Maybe Esau's comments apply to the AVERAGE American and their knowledge of history. But as for me, I am far, far, far from average. I've studied almost every major facet of World History including many such as Subsaharan African History not routinely covered in American textbooks.

 

Jesus H Christ you are sadly lost. We're not talking ****ing roads here...there's plenty of non-paved roads in the US. There's non-paved roads 10 km outside of Kiev....no need to mention 100 km outside of Moscow. But of course you wouldn't know that because you've never been to "the ukraine".

Bomb ****ing shelters, they have them, we don't. That's infrastructure. All of their metros (subways for 'mericans) are also built to withstand nuclear blasts and serve as bomb shelters. Their metro stations can hold millions of people. Most all of their urban buildings have ****ing bomb shelters. Do ours? Nope. A lot of their buildings were built to withstand nuclear blasts. Ours? Not a chance.

So it is ****ing naive at the least, or just stupid at most to say that we would survive and they wouldn't. They've got a vast wilderness to go to after the blasts.....we....we got keyboard jockeys AKA experts on all things Russia.

Yeah, you're right. We've got better roads...that'll save us.

Class dismissed.

 

There are thousands of bomb shelters in the United States.

But that is irrelevant. You can't win a war of any kind of hiding in the ground.

 

I'm sure @Esau would be delighted to know you're an expert on sub-saharan African history. Maybe you can tell us all about it in another thread.

 

I couldn't tell you where the first ****ing bomb shelter is and I ****ing live here. The population is spread out in unprotected areas. I know you're ready to meet your maker with this nuclear exchange delusion Mr. Bolten, but some of us know better.

 

I do and I can.

 

And we're only about three hours from Bobby Hopper Tunnel.

 

3 hours?????

Can you get there in 15 minutes?!!! Because that's what it will take.

 

I don't live within the blast radius of any conceivable nuclear targets or in the fallout pattern of any. So the 15 minute thing is utterly irrelevant.

 

Sooo…zelensky never said use preemptive nukes…and logically why would he want to and thus guarantee his own country get nuked? This was debunked on the first page and never should have been ran with except we have legitimate Putin lovers on here.

How the hell lies like this go for so many thread pages is beyond me.

 

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Is there any dispute that these were the words used by Zelensky?

 

show me he said preemptive using nukes. You do understand English right?

 

Surely you're joking? Everybody and their ****ing brother has been talking about this. Well, everybody that comprehends English.

 

sorry, he never said it. Clearly you lack very basic English reading comprehension and/or just deliberately misinterpret so you can cheer your war criminal hero Putin

Try harder. Please. Begging you bro. Quote me the words saying “preemptively strike Russia with nukes.

 

I think the people that have been doing their virtue signaling at the behest of the Western media are coming to the realization they've been duped into backing a real POS, now they just look for ways out when their beloved POS shows himself for the unhinged POS he is.

 

It's quoted in *******ned bold above by @Iranian Monitor. If you can't figure out the ramblings of an addict, then sorry for ya.

How about some super simple logic? Shall we? How does one prevent Russia from using nuclear weapons? Uhhh, use nuclear weapons on them first? Hmmmm.

"we need pre-emptive strikes, so that they’ll know what will happen to them if they use nukes, and not the other way around,"

Not the other way around? As in they (NATO) use nukes first, not them. Do you think Zelensky meant shooting some fire crackers at Moscow and that would prevent Russia from using its nuclear arsenal?

And I'm not your bro, kid

 

BBC reporting missile strike in Kiev.

Video from Twitter

https://twitter.com/vaidoo767/status/1579344315037675523

 

At Zelensky's house....if we're lucky.

 

Hahaha so you can only point to words that don’t say to nuke Russia, and then tell me I just need to assume he means nukes because the only alternative in your world other than nuking someone is fire crackers. Lol do you even know how ridiculous you sound to posit the idea that it’s either nukes or firecrackers in your world? Wowzers

bro. Really. Try harder. I can’t beg you hard enough. What do I gotta do to make you quote him saying to use nukes?

 

If you can't read a quote, I can't help you. You should try reading all of the quotes. Or not. I really don't give a **** and I'm not here to hold hands.