Zero-point energy is the source of all energy?

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  1. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If it is not worth 2 minutes of your time to say what it is about then it isn't worth 2 hours of my time to watch it.
     
  2. WillReadmore

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    I totally disagree.

    In almost zero cases are people on this board capable of making assessments on technical topics based on a video.

    The way one avoids PURE CRAP is to look to those who do have expertise in that area.

    In the case of UFOs, there is essentially ZERO acceptance of little green men on Earth among scientists from around the the world.

    We see this kind of problem every day on this board. Some video pops up and a bunch of people really, really want to believe it simply because it confirms their personal belief, and then they spend zero time checking it out.

    This is NOT the only thread that is active today where this kind of mistake is the KEY ISSUE.
     
  3. Tim15856

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    I have heard about such things for awhile. Basically sounds like a conspiracy theory that the government is denying cheap, clean energy to the entire planet. I'm not convinced yet, and I'm one who is into this kind of stuff and even had MUFON come to my house after I submitted a video to them.
     
  4. Monash

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    And persistent gullibility is a sign of stupidity. Your point?
     
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  5. Creasy Tvedt

    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    Yep, just another UFO hoopla that turns out to be a bust.
     
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  6. wgabrie

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    I still think they might have some metal-ore or odd material samples that got ejected from the engine of a UFO. If that were so, then it might be fun for the scientists and engineers trying to figure out what it is made of.
     
  7. fmw

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    I can't watch internet videos. What does it say?
     
  8. One Mind

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    I doubt anyone has reverse engineered these highly advanced craft.. They are beyond our ability and knowledge. It would be like henry Ford finding a smart phone and reverse engineering a broken smart phone.

    Clearly these craft don't run on fossil fuels. Greer has appealed for years to inventors to present to him their zero point energy devices. No takers.

    Greer makes his living with empty promises and he will charge you a few grand to teach you meditation so you can get in touch with ETs! You have to sign his NDA so you don't bust him out!

    Personally like Linda Moulton Howe he is a gullible nut. He thinks ETs are our space brothers. While LMH believes some ETs want to steal human souls.

    While these craft do exist whoever made them ain't talking to us. Yet Greer knows all about them!

    Greer will be out of a job if govt ever discloses what they know about these craft and who made them.

    IMO Greer is mentally affected. Like most UFO researchers. The only one who wasn't nutty was Stanton Friedman. But he wasn't into this new age BS. Even Dolan is buying into the new age BS.

    Any nation that can create one of these craft and its source of energy will rule this planet!
     
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    With respect, your assuming the 'crashed' space craft in question actually exist. No-one has presented an iota of proof that this is actually the case. Currently for all intents and purposes they might as well be claiming that DARPA has reverse engineered Tinker Bells magic fairy wand.
     
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    It's a bunch of guys making claims about UFOs twenty years ago, all of which went nowhere, and remain unconfirmed.
     
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    So basically, I was right and this should be moved to the conspiracy section.
     
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    It ain't science, that's for sure.
     
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    Thanks. I have to tell the UFO crowd the truth but the distances are too great to allow interstellar travel for sentient beings. They may exist elsewhere but we will never meet them.
     
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    I never believed in crashed saucers. And supposedly there has been more than the crash at Roswell.. Travelling light years to only crash on earth is far fetched.

    Perhaps whoever made these craft gave us one in exchange for humans!

    They consume us like we consume steak!

    I have no doubt these craft exist. But I doubt the govt knows where these beings are from. Yet early released FOIA documents is evidence these craft exist and fly our skies . And we can't stop them.

    Our grasp of reality may be wrong! The universe may be beyond our ability to understand.
     
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    What craft?
     
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    The craft talked about in foia released govt documents. The craft that interact with our jet fighters and who jam our state of the art targeting systems.

    Denying these exist is a mental affection. Some people just can't accept the facts. It messes with beliefs . The Brooking Institute is right.

    The question is , who made them and what are these beings? Questioning the existence of these craft is folly. That time is past.

    Trouble is the UFO crowd is filled with nuts and crazy people. Its a cult of new age beliefs.

    But men like commander Faber are not crazy. And our tech that we depend on to wage war isn't crazy.

    The people who still deny these craft are nuts just like the UFO cult. Mentally affected.
     
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    Yeah, but what actual craft?
     
  18. One Mind

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    The craft that if we can make will allow us to rule the world! Let's hope Russia or China doest get this tech first!
     
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    The craft our govt knows exist . The craft that interacts with our military. And makes our tech look primitive.

    The craft you will never believe exists. Unlike men like commander Faber. IMO there could never be enough evidence for you. A mental block.
     
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    I can tell you what would be enough evidence for me; an actual craft.

    I've seen a lot of video footage of rapidly moving lights, but nothing that looks like an actual physical object.
     
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    I doubt one of these craft will land by you so you can see it and touch it. They will interact with pilots and their combat tech sensors..The tech that allows an F 18 to see a target of matter , lock onto it and launch weapons.And the ancient Ww2 gun cameras used in ww2 to film combat.. And of course a couple of different radars. And that is the tech we know about. We may have other tech not published.

    Throw in 8 pilots that interacted with the tic tac craft and had eyes on it and.watched its behavior , well its reasonable to admit these craft exist . If 8 pilots and instruments looked at at a Russian fighter and reported it there would be no question the Russian fighter existed and observed.

    Even if the Russian jet was new design. They would report it and we would believe it.

    But in order to accept that these unknown craft exists one has to touch it, kick the tires, etc?

    Sorry but IMO that is just a bit too much to ask. We don't always use those extraordinary standards of evidence .

    The evidence is there and is sufficient. Without touching it or conversing with its maker. If foia govt documents count. These craft have been seen by pilots since Ww2. And by radar.

    I make no other claims. We see them, interact with them and then they take off at ungodly speed. No sound not even a sonic boom.

    No idea who made them or where. They haven't told me! In fact I have never seen one. Yet craft are seen. By pilots. Military pilots. Why should they not be believed? Verified by combat tools.

    We are assuming we are looking at the work of intelligent beings. But that is an assumption. A reasonable assumption, yet still an assumption..

    UFO nuts take this assumption and their imaginations run wild. With many liars in the mix. They are of a higher vibration and good space brothers! Greer believes this with zero evidence. He meditates and they contact his consciousness!

    It's Woo IMO. But what isn't woo is what military people are seeing and picking up with sensors. Unknown aerial craft with impossible or magical looking performance!

    Commander Faber remarked he wanted to fly one of those craft!
     
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    Well I guess we'll have to live with differing standards of proof. I don't think I'm being unreasonable in wanting real evidence.
     
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    I would say the real evidence is there. You just can't kick the tires! You probably will never kick the tires on the next Russian fighter jet either.

    I just wish these craft didn't exist..I would prefer a less surreal reality! I don't need that kind of a mystery. I prefer steak and potatoes instead of the exotic ..I have to remind myself that any sufficient advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
     
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    I've not seen either a "sufficient advanced technology" or "magic." I've seen lights in the sky which, if I were to guess, probably have a perfectly natural explanation. Just because we don't understand a phenomena doesn't mean it's magic, elves, angels, or aliens.
     
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    I have seen lights too. But military pilots have seen and interacted with craft that can smoke our jet fighters. And jam our targeting system.

    That's a horse of a different color.

    If you gotta kick the tires you won't ever have the evidence you require.. You should not believe in evolution given you have never seen macro evolution personally. There's lots of science like this. These craft can be measured. And detected by trained observers and our high tech instruments we use to shoot down man made craft. Yet there isn't any evidence? Lol.

    I don't believe in magic including elves and fairies. And an illusion cannot jam our state of the art targeting systems ..so that leaves a nuts and bolts technology and non fossil fuel propulsion.

    I don't think these craft are gods and demons. Or I hope not. I like a non surreal reality but can't just dismiss

    evidence from our military pilots . Or govt documents via foia that verifies these craft going back decades.
     

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