Zoo’s Killing of Gorilla Holding a Boy Prompts Outrage

And that's it in a nutshell......that should have been an impossibility for the smallest of curious kids.

 

Usually agree w/you, Sundance, but in this case.... no, the boy was just curious, not stupid. Curiosity is what gets inquisitive kids in trouble, particularly w/parents who don't use a firm hand on the kid in the first place, but will allow themselves to argue w/a 4 yr old about a dangerous move.......now THAT'S stupid.

In places like this, little kids should be on a harness/leash b/c those little people can move like lightning.......

 

Wow! What news station was bold enough to say that? Usually they like to push a narrative.

 

Which makes me ask two questions:

1. Do all zoos have guns for this instance?

2. What type of gun they used?

 

I honestly couldn't care less if that ape or any other species (besides us) becomes extinct. That's just nature taking its course. Wasting money on animal preservation is idiotic in my opinion. Mankind and the rest of ecosystem will adapt.

 

Thank you. I had mentioned this harness/leash thingy also, that's now made for the little kids. I've heard some say 'How awful! They're treating their kid like a dog!".....well, not quite. The parent was talking the kid to the park, zoo, fair where there's masses of people and wants to make sure they can take their kid home w/them at the end of the day......

It's not just the 4-legged wild primates out there, but the 2-legged ones also, who should also be caged up, known as pedophiles, who'll snatch a lost child.

 

That can be a bad thing actually. You can become too dependant on the leash and someone can slash it and kidnap you're child.

 

Yeah, I was just upset that gorilla had to die. The kid was just being a kid.

His parents, however, have some parenting issues.

 

OK you're clearly a misanthrope.

 

Do you think a three-year-old falling on a train track is enough to warrant an investigation of the parents' home by CPS?

 

So we should baby proof the entire world?


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That diagram represents about 50% of zoo exhibits I bet. Certainly any built after 1970. Go to your local zoo and note how many exhibits are set up that way. It's a way better experience to see these types of exhibits than old zoo ones that were bars and chains everywhere. Is that what they should go back to?

I'll come back to the point that this gorilla exhibit is still more secure than a subway platform. Where does it end? Do all businesses have to make everything 100% kid proof? Or should they make it 99% kid proof and expect the chaperones to cover the 1%?


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It depends on the situation. If they have prior citations or complaints yes it might be worth a look. If not and there appears to be no maliciousness or negligence then no. Chalk it up to an accident and move on. If the kid died, an investigation would likely take place regardless though. In this gorilla incident, no I don't think so. Do I think the family should receive a trespassing ticket and citation at least? Yes. Do I think the family should sue the zoo? Definitely not. Do I think the zoo should sue the family? I don't know, that would be up to them and I don't have enough information to know if it would be worth it. My guess is that in that business they are likely to not sue them, nothing awarded can replace the genetic viability of an endangered animal like that.


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Keeping your toddler close to you at all times when you're out in public by putting him/er in a harness w/a leash, which will be in parent's hand "can be a bad thing"? You serious? A parent can become 'to dependent' on a object that keeps their child close and can't run off into the crowd?

And the kidnappers keep themselves a distance away so when they see a child who wandered away from parent, they can quietly pick up child and disappear and usually no one notices....you think no one would notice if he walked up to parent who had leash in his/her hand, cut it, showing his face, grabs the kid............good grief.

 

100% guaranteed that of that 1% there will at some point make a mistake. Perhaps 1% of the 1%, so with the amount of people going to a zoo, the chance for a mishap is quite a few people.
No, all things must be idiot proofed, if one is to make something 100% safe. Which in itself is a near impossibility.

 

Where did I say anything about baby-proofing the entire world? I DIDN'T.

But getting back to wild life cages at the zoo, well yes, I do think the safety of the cages should be an absolute thing, so no 3 YR OLD KID can figure out how to get IN the cage w/the lion, tiger, gorilla. Don't you think that's a good idea?

The next toddler might not be so lucky......

I just think it would be a terrific idea to keep the wild animals and wild toddlers as safe as possible.....and away from each other.

 

The key phrase there was "as safe as possible." The zoo could put up a brick wall with a ceiling, that'd do the trick... but everyone on earth would hate it. My point about baby proofing the whole world is if we have to baby proof every zoo exhibit, why not every subway platform? Why not every road? Etc. etc. where would it end? This zoo has never had this issue with its gorilla exhibit before, so of the millions and millions of people who have ever visited, is one accident enough to justify changing the entire set up? To me that would be an unreasonable request, especially when far more children are hit by cars or fall off subway platforms than they do into gorilla exhibits. Soooo many zoo exhibits are set up this way that unless every one was changed it wouldn't make any sense to change just this one.

Two changes I would recommend though is maybe switching the vegetation to a thorny species as that would deter little ones and if they don't have an electric wire on the gorilla side of the moat, looking into adding that. Neither are 100% guarantees but could improve safety without breaking the bank for a very unlikely repeat event.


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The topic is not about subway platforms, roads, etc, but about a gorilla and a 3 yr old toddler who found his way INTO the gorilla's habitat, which tells me that the construction of gorilla's pad was faulty, to say the least.....if a 3 YR OLD can figure how to get in....

 

You know the old saying: "It's impossible to make anything foolproof, because fools are so ingenious!"

 

It's a tough thing. I do think that one more fence at the moat side would have stopped it. Most zoos I know of have another layer.

 

I have NEVER taken my eyes off my young children when in a public setting...especially...in a place like a wild-animal zoo enclosure. Sometimes one has to be perfect.

 

It's not off topic. I'm asking a bigger picture question here. Are you thinking the zoo should redesign their whole enclosure because of one accident? If they should, why shouldn't subway systems then? A kid in a dangerous area he shouldn't be in is a kid in a dangerous area he shouldn't be in. Gorilla or train, there's no difference aside from the fact you can't stop a train with a bullet.


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Many consider the drop the second layer though. I did wonder if the vegetation had been rose bushes or something thorny would that be enough to stop a little one? Might be worth exploring.


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