Ronald Reagan: The Greatest President Ever

An apology would likely be hollow, PN. It's all about character.

Now about Ronald Reagan...I wonder what he'd say about Mr. Obama.
I think he'd start with competence and dignity - Obama's lack of it.

 

Of course you are correct. Most people with self confidence issues can never admit when they are wrong.

 

Well, Tex, while I cannot disagree, I can differ with that statement.

The inability to admit mistakes is not always associated with a lack of self confidence; in fact it more often represents in individuals of the opposite extreme. Arrogance is usually the driving factor in such behavior and while a lack of self esteem is sometimes the issue, it is more often a much more malevolent manifestation.

We need only look at the United States White House and see what is likely the text book definition of what I'm talking about. Sociopaths never admit mistakes or even acknowledge weakness. Getting to spend one trillion dollars on your friends and their pet projects based on a lie is nothing. And when the promises, outrageous to begin with, fail to accrue, why simply say "I inherited this mess" and blame it on anyone with a pulse.

And never underestimate the number of sociopaths in our midst, especially on the internet and most especially among the left in this forum.

 

Election results varies depending on the competitiveness of the races, events, and other driving forces. Nixon (in 1972) and Reagan (in 1984) had weak competition. FDR was elected four times for similar reasons. LBJ beat the Right Wing off of Goldwater. It is not out of the realm of possibility for Barack Obama to win all "57" states in 2012 if Rick Santorum is the Republican nominee. However, Mitt Romney might hold him down to only a 50 states win.

 

Ronald = 6

Wilson = 6

Reagan = 6



Reagan = 666 = Antichrist

The Bible tells us he would survive a death blow in Rev.13:3. RWR survived an assassination attempt. Thereafter he would continue to destroy and deceive. The Bible tells us Antichrist would fool the world. That explains those numbers above and reveal his true evil identity.

 

This is not an apology.

This statement that it is an apology is a lie.

Personal attack

Personal attack.

Personal attack

Personal attack

This is clearly a group of people summoned by PN to join in an organized campaign of personal attack on me.

I don't mind. I can handle myself.

But this I mind.

This message has been deleted by The12thMan. Reason: personal attack

It's a disgrace.

 

Yes, he was a great actor and performer of politics!! A terrible president mind you, but incredibly charismatic and an extremely talented politician!! He is basically the prototype for the modern American president. Handsome and charismatic men with good political discipline, who are good performers of political theater!! But who also have no valuable ideas, no character, no policy solutions, etc!! If Reagan had never been president, I feel almost certain the country would be in a far, far, far, far better place than it is now!!

 

The ignorant bullying is a poor sight, but PN is hardly the ring leader!! I have been told they have some sort of social club where the get together and privately coordinate to ride to the rescue of fellow beleaguered colleagues!! And of course since they are right wingers at this forum, about 97% of them are currently losing every debate they are currently engaged in, and they need the aid of other trolls to drive the discussion off topic!! They cannot keep up intellectually, so resorting to calling you insecure, then arrogant, then a sociopath is the best they are capable of!! I tend not to look too poorly upon them, simply because they aren't capable of a whole lot more than that!! They are posting up to their level of ability. Can't fault people for that(well you could say they should never display their ignorant opinions so publicly, but they have freedom of speech, even if it means freedom of stupid speech that embarrasses a person!!).

 

What bullying? Look back, when the exchanges got off topic and personal, I appologized for offending him. He responded by calling me a liar. That was the end of it for me, and he has been on ignore ever since. As for the rest of your post, not on topic much either, and I guess I should be offended as well, but I don't have time to be offended right now. Have a nice day.

P.S. Ignore status is now permanent. I gave you a chance and you blew it.

 

Bottom line is you can smear Pres Reagan all you want but it does not change the fact he was the best Presidnet in my lifetime

Liberal haters like you continue to try and rewrite history but all it shows is how jealous you are of a man who restored the nations pride and put the country back to work after the Dems screwed it up

Like they are now

 

Like Walter Mondale was going to do to Pres Reagan?

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and di anyone see how Pres Bush is BEHIND Obama when it comes least favorable Presidents?

 

Jealous of Reagan's greatness I see

Even after 30 years libs still act like rabid dogs at the mere mention of his name

 

Did you miss the post where I praised his Pointe d'Hoc speech was one of the finest speeches ever made. Hardly "rabid dog" behavior.

Slandering opponents instead of answering their arguments is more like the thuggish and anti-idea behavior of those extremists on the Right who have made Reagan a saint.

I expect posting lies about what Reagans opponents think instead of answering what they actually post is good sport for the brainless jocks in the frat houses of minor American universities.

 

You have been foaming at the mouth all over this thread

What lies about Walter Mondull? He did win ONE state after all so Reagan was not that bad towards him

 

More personal attacks. You seem to have immunity from the Mods.

 

Well if facts and truth are now considered personla attacks then you may have a case

Other then that................

 

Calling someone a hater is a personal attack. It is an attack on the person and not an attack on the argument. You get away with it though because you are well connected.

Why do you dislike discussing ideas so much and like taunting and flamebaiting so much? Do ideas bore you? I mean in the Krugman debate you were destroyed. That's Krugman the former advisor to President Reagan.

Why do your arguments all come across as so graceless as well? You don't even acknowledge when you get it wrong. You failed to acknowledge that I had praised Reagan and accused me of blind hatred. It's just a lie. Do you think that makes you look clever? Why would you think that? You couldn't even concede the point on Krugman being part of the Reagan Adminsitration. You think ignoring it means that iy didn't happen? It's like you just let yourself get nattered in the argument.

It puzzles me why you just allow yourself to be destroyed without even commenting on it. You don't even put up a defence. You just throw out cheap insults and taunts. Is that really the best you have? I wish someone would actually debate the ideas. It would be much better you know. Just throwing out superficial tat is very boring unless you just enjoy winding people up, which I'm sure cannot be the case.

 

But this sort of moral and intellectual depravity is all the Right have to offer on here. I have to read Commentary magazine now to get any serious conservative ideas. The basic lack of intelligence, inability to handle ideas and the rush to lie, slander and taunt, is not that surprising from conservatives in general. But I am surprised that for some people they will spend time on a political forum twaddling away this sterile crap!

Conservatives on average are not very bright. But to discover that the conservatives who are interested in politics enough to spend hours posting here, are even less able to handle ideas, is a shock. How can you be interested in politics if you are not even interested in properly understanding the ideas of those with whom you disagree?

That's what really puzzles me and convinces me that conservatives are a threat to our freedom. They are so utterly disinterested inj ideas that this constitutes a collosal form of intolerance. All they are interested in is flamebaiting, lying, misrepresenting their opponents and indulging in the most infantile name calling. To give such scum any power whatsoever would be to surrender our liberties to darkness. I think the evil of the conservative position - how it wallows in ignorance and runs away from debate and logical exchange - is quite clear. They really are like playground bullies, taunting, sneering etc.

But playground bullies grow up to be non entities. I suppose we can console ourselves taht our freedoms are intact because this is such "loser" like behaviour. I mean who would give people like this a decent job? Good staff need to be able to see both sides of a question. I suspect that these guys don't even understand one side!

I hunger for decent debate with half intelligent conservatives. It's like searching for the Holy Grail.

 

I have been dismantling your ideas all over this thread. It is disappointing to me that it has been so easy. It's like playing chess and winning in three moves. Over and over again.

As to Mondale. It's a hobby horse of yours that you keep going on about. You are talking to yourself. No-one cares that Mondale got hammered by Reagan. That you think this proves something is pretty worrying.

 

You did not apologize. That statement is a lie. A lie that you keep repeating. Repeating a lie a lot doesn't stop it being a lie.

What you did was to continuously attack me personally, even when you had me on ignore. You indulged in a campaign of abuse, using emoticons and talking about me by name to the open forum, then PMd your buddies to come and join in.

All because I totally trashed you in a debate. You soon lost interest in that.

 

'Communism fell under the weight of its own policies...thanks to Reagan' I'm sure you'll see the glaring contradiction here.
Reagan was a traitor and you hold him up as some kind of saint?

 

Right, thanks to Reagan, no shots were fired between the West, and the USSR as it colapsed under the weight of it's own failed policies. I see no glaring contradiction, no.

 

There was no attempt to rewrite history. Reagan was extremely unpopular in 1988-1989 as he was leaving office. His presidency was a failure on a scale we hadn't seen in a very long time. His long term economic policies, were a massive disaster. His foreign policy put us into terrible debt to combat a sick and collapsing Soviet Union. He supported war criminals and terrorists around the globe. He broke the law whenever he saw fit. Then right wing historical revisionists took over, and when the Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of it's own problems, right wing revisionists flew in and said "see Reagan was great!!" He said he wanted the Cold War to end, and it did!! What other evidence do you need? He was president, he gave speeches that he wanted the cold war to end, and it did. Obviously, he was the cause for the collapse of the Soviet Union. Of course, even the tiniest amount of analysis complicates that narrative to an extent that no intelligent person would ever believe it. Then take into account the debt exploded under Reagan. The trade deficit exploded under Reagan. The deregulation which led to the current crisis started under Reagan. Al-Qaeda was created with help from Reagan's policies. What you come up with is a picture of possibly not the worst president in US history, but a president who is in the conversation for the worst presidents. Only right wing revisionism and the stupidity of some people keeps the absurd myth of Reagan going!!

 

Finally you admit it!!!! The USSR DID collapse under the weight of it's own failed policies!! I thought it all had to do with Reagan crushing the Soviet Union with the power of his will, and using a few platitude filled speeches? Now you are coming around to the side of the educated. Well done.