Revisiting The Waco Massacre...

When it happened, being across the pond, I only heard bits and bobs about what developed at Waco, Texas.

It was all a bit vague, some crazy guy they said, some dangerous cult they said, other sorts of implications and such.

The way it was sold was heavily biased toward the state.

It was only some years later that I began to examine what happened in more detail.

If anyone likes a film/docu, I found the full copy of this, thought maybe one or two could watch, then discuss the content/subject.

Jack

[video=youtube;bTg7Y9YJXR4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTg7Y9YJXR4[/video]

 

Waco was nothing more than a show of naked aggression by the state, unto it's own citizens.

 

Waco were a bunch of religious freaks that the world is better off without.

Too bad they killed their children when they suicided out.

Bastards

 

Having seen the ATF in action with regular citizens (gun dealers and auction houses)----I would say they were more dangerous then the cult.

 

The ATF didn't set up suicide firebombs and kill their children.

The leader of the ATF didn't rape 12 year old girls or sleep with their mothers.

Sickening to even compare the two.

 

I remember how cowardly Bill Clinton was, denying he had anything to do with it, and allowing Janet Reno to take all the blame.

 

I used to think something similar to that, too, until I watched that documentary and then did my own research.

 

The ATF will go into a gun shop or auction house and say "show me your files from 30 years ago". If the owner asks why? He is told that the ATF can do what ever they (*)(*)(*)(*) please, they can close this place down for no reason and there is nothing you can do about it.
To a regular citizen---that is a more dangerous entity.

I imagine the AFT---just went ballistic when confronted with the unrelenting cult.

I don't have love for that cult--they were disgusting. But who is really more dangerous to US.

 

Janet Reno came out with some class.

 

David Koresh and his gang weren't harming anyone until the ATF showed up, waving their guns around like the goons they were.

 

What has your research uncovered to prove my statement wrong?

Are you suggesting that the ATF firebombed the compound that ignited instantly trapping the children in there?

I would love to see your evidence.

 

The scariest thing in the video for me, someone who when I witnessed the event as a youngen' thought they were a "wacko cult", was the fact that the ATF shot first, lied about it, then kept shooting. Furthermore, it was disgusting that Federal agents pulled their pants down, used odd music, etc as "psychological warfare".

And in the end...I was left with proof positive (their own words, in fact) of their lies. It made me believe that they burnt the place down so as to not have witnesses to their own fubar.

I think that started me on the path of thinking that the government is not my friend.

 

You would have thought the government would have acted with more sense so soon after they murdered that woman and child at Ruby Ridge.

 

Did you watch the whole documentary? From beginning to end? If I'm not mistaken the links he provided is the one I'm thinking of where they play tapes of David Koresh getting the agents to admit that they shot first. These are tapes that were put before Congress, if I recall.

 

The agents may well have shot first. It doesn't ignore the fact, nor does the documentary address the fact that they returned fire on Federal Agents or how they illegally acquired weapons which resulted in the ATF being there. It doesn't mention how the cult suicided out nor the fact that Koresh was raping children and taking other mens wives for his own pleasure.

Had Koresh simply walked out and provided the documentation about his weapons, which he didn't have, they all would be alive today.

 

Transcripts:

Note the ATF back peddling...

 

Had they just picked him up while in town they would all be alive today. They wanted the standoff because they were an agency that could have been absorbed back into the FBI.

 

Its been proven that koresh firebombed his own complex which resulted in the murder of children.

Nuff said

 

Proven by whom? Is this proof brought to me by the same government who staged the Gulf of Tonkin and found yellowcake in Saddam Hussein's pants?

 

The proof is in the video if you bother to watch it. The complex went up all at once and nothing was fired into it. This means that only pre-placed charges could have caused this. I doubt the ATF snuck agents into a fully armed complex and put them there.

Commons sense is a good thing.

 

The branch davidians in Waco may have been whackos ( ), but the situation was still grossly mishandeled by the authorities.

 

I will agree with that. But I will not lay all the blame on the government when these freaks clearly set themselves up for it then took the easy way out.

I would say that Ruby Ridge was definitely more of a government error then Waco was.

 

A situation where the state went completely overboard was Ruby Ridge. A horrible tragedy. Waco was a different story. Was the ending bad? Sure. But Koresh was a pedophile. Regardless of any other argument, something had to be done. We do not want to set precedent where if you have enough guns and followers, the state will no longer hold you accountable to the laws of the land. Law enforcement is made for such endeavors. But if you want to see a case where the state is undeniably in the wrong, to the tune of millions in judgments to the victims, look up Ruby Ridge.

 

So you haven't watched the documentary?

 

Yes, Ruby Ridge was a blatent attempt of government overstepping their bounds.

Koresh was asking for trouble with his actions.