Who were the 3 Wise Men of the Bible?

The Magi were from the East.. wise men , philosophers, astronomers I think.

 

"East" is the direction where the sun (the light) comes from. "East" means often something like "from the invisible origin where everything (specially all life) comes from". It's very interesting in this context that our local entropy seems to sink (paradox situation) - so we are ourselve somehow on the way "back into future" as long as we are alive. One of the wise kings is by the way "since ever" a black man - so we can see a "multi-cultural" identity too.

http://youtu.be/cbJ89efvKqM

 

Both accounts put the birthplace of Jesus in Bethlehem. Matthew simply omits the journey to Bethlehem. Keep in mind that these accounts are exactly that. The Gospel ACCORDING to Matthew or Luke. Also, Matthew and Luke have different audiences. Luke, as a Greek Physician is telling the story from a more secular point of view, while Matthew, being not only a Jew, but one of the 12 apostles, is telling it from a more Jewish point of view.

Also, why assume that just because one omits certain events, that another author may not, why must it necessarily imply that the Gospel writer didn't know anything about an event. There could be a multitude of reasons as to why certain parts where omitted. Fleeing out of Egypt could be a semi historical semi allegorical account, pointing to Moses leading the Israelites out of Israel and into the promised land. In that case, it would make sense as to why it is mentioned in Matthew and not Luke.

 

All these pictures of starts and constellations is pretty cool and all, but what does this have to do with Christianity? No where in the Bible is the actual number of the wise men given, it is just assumed by the three different types of gifts given(gold, frankincense, and myrrh).

 

I have seen it, or at least the relevant portion of it. I think I even saw that before digging around and finding that usbible.com site. It's the one that lists commonalities between Jesus and a number of other solar heroes, and I recall it also goes into a little detail about the Gospel.

 

Well, it's hard to call the accounts historical when there is nothing to back them up, and when they are apparently making things up, such as King Herod trying to have babies killed. Given that and the obvious heavenly parallels that were quite normal and expected of the myths of those times, I think it's only prudent to consider the gospel accounts fictitious until proven otherwise. Taking that approach, I don't see the Gospel making a good case for itself at all. Historical accounts and archaeology simply don't support very many Gospel claims.

It also strikes me that Babylon was a center of culture and learning back when they had the ancient Israelites in captivity. It seems quite clear to me that they had picked up on astrology and the mythology based around it when they were there, and when they were permitted to return home, they invented their own starry myths based on the knowledge and cultural influence that they had picked up there.

 

This is an easy question. I know the answer. It is God, Jesus and the Holy Spirt. Who is wiser than this three.

 

After mentioning it last night, I actually sat down and watched it again.

For my world religion's course I took with American Military University, I did an interesting paper on the eschatology of Catholicism and Hinduism.

So Jesus came in the guise of a magus and visited his baby self?

 

They were 3 Persian spies for King Herod. Most like Muslims not Zoros or whatever. They were not 3 wise men bringing gifts. the lies told by scholars. This was during a time that Herod was trying kill all the boys in the land near and far to Jerusalem. Which is why Joseph fled with Mary, parents of Yeshua.

fyi- anybody that tells you Yeshua was born of a spirit impreganating Mary is crazy. that's just twisted Catholic lore. the Bible clearly tells you that Joseph was Yeshua's father.

 

Astrologers. Jesus was a Pisces.

The Gospel of Matthew, which has a different birth narrative, describes Jesus' birth taking place during the life of Herod the Great, who died ten years earlier, in the spring of 4 BC. Biblical scholars, troubled by the apparent contradiction in Scripture,[7] have traditionally sought to harmonise these accounts, while most critical scholars regard this as an error by the author of the Gospel of Luke.[8]

This passage has long been considered problematic by Biblical scholars, since it places the birth of Jesus around the time of the census in 6/7, whereas the Gospel of Matthew indicates a birth during or just after the reign of Herod the Great, who died in 4 BC, nine years earlier.[19] In addition, no historical sources mention a worldwide or even a Roman-controlled world census which would cover the population as a whole; those of Augustus covered Roman citizens only;[20] and it was not the practice in Roman censuses to require people to return to their ancestral homes.[21]

Modern scholars tend to explain the disparity as an error on the part of the author of the Gospel, concluding that he was more concerned with creating a symbolic narrative than a historical account,[22] and was either unaware of, or indifferent to,[23] the chronological difficulty. The Gospel also associates the birth of Jesus with that of John the Baptist, ten years earlier during the reign of Herod the Great.[24] The same author, in Acts of the Apostles, associates the census with the revolt of Theudas, which happened years later.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Census_of_Quirinius

According to Jacobs, Jesus was born March 1st in the year 7 BC, at 1:21 a.m. in Bethlehem. The birth chart for this moment in time contains a cluster of six planets in Pisces: the Sun, Moon, Venus, Jupiter, Saturn, and Uranus. (No wonder the fish was used as a symbol for Jesus.) With all this Pisces energy, Jesus was highly spiritual, compassionate, and willing to sacrifice himself for others. A Mercury in Aquarius reveals a revolutionary mind, and Mars in Virgo indicates a tireless worker. Sagittarius rising adds the perfect personality for spreading the truth and for bringing the search for truth and meaning to others. Jacobs used this chart to follow the events which occurred in Jesus' life, and showed what astrological transits he was experiencing each time. But is this really the birth chart of Jesus?

Finally, one of the most compelling mysteries of the past two millennia has been solved. Cuneiform tablets discovered during this century in the ancient astrology school in Sippar (Babylon) reveal that the astrologers were nearly obsessed with noting and tracking movements of an extremely rare heavenly occurrence in the year 7 BC. It was a "once in 25,000 years" celestial event when the two zodiacs (sidereal and tropical) met. It was considered the promise of the birth of an avatar of all avatars. Is this why the Magi journeyed so far to meet the infant Jesus and instruct his parents as to their son's important mission, as well as to warn them of impending danger?

Exhaustive research on this rediscovered birth chart, combined with the latest historical evidence of that period, validate beyond any reasonable doubt that it is indeed the moment of incarnation of the man we have come to know as Jesus, The Christ. The implication of this recent find, once fully realized, will be nearly incalculable. The wealth of information already gleaned would fill volumes. One significant fall-out of this unique revelation will be the emergence and elevation of the use of astrology in the near future to a level unknown since the time of Jesus.

http://www.stargazers.com/jesus.html

 

Astrology had nothing to do with the 3 wise men. that's garbage. Read up....


After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem 2and asked, “Where is the one who has been born King of the Jews? We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him.”

3When King Herod heard this he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him. 4When he had called together all the people’s chief priests and teachers of the law, he asked them where the Christ was to be born. 5”In Bethlehem in Judea,” they replied, “for this is what the prophet has written:

6’But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah,
are by no means least among the rulers of Judah;
for out of you will come a ruler
who will be the shepherd of my people Israel’.”

7Then Herod called the Magi secretly and found out from them the exact time the star had appeared. 8He sent them to Bethlehem and said, “Go and make a careful search for the child. As soon as you have found him, report to me, so that I too may go and worship him

 

Astrology had nothing to do with the 3 wise men. that's garbage. Read up....


After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem 2and asked, “Where is the one who has been born King of the Jews? We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him.”

3When King Herod heard this he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him. 4When he had called together all the people’s chief priests and teachers of the law, he asked them where the Christ was to be born. 5”In Bethlehem in Judea,” they replied, “for this is what the prophet has written:

6’But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah,
are by no means least among the rulers of Judah;
for out of you will come a ruler
who will be the shepherd of my people Israel’.”

7Then Herod called the Magi secretly and found out from them the exact time the star had appeared. 8He sent them to Bethlehem and said, “Go and make a careful search for the child. As soon as you have found him, report to me, so that I too may go and worship him

 

Herod was dead years before Jesus was born...

 

ummm....Muslims did not exist until centuries later.

 

Very interesting, this particular Pisces tie-in. Still, the birth of a real person Yeshua is based on a couple of conflicting gospel accounts, and there is nothing else to support his existence as a real person at all, let alone the date and time of his alleged birth.

The parallel, however, with the Age of Pisces and Jesus' service in that regard, is again very interesting. Check this out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_age

The Age of Aries (The Arian Age)

Symbol for Aries:

The zodiacal signs:

the vernal equinox (northern hemisphere) is occurring in Aries;

Timeframes

Zodiacal 30 degrees:

Neil Mann interpretation: began in ca. 2150 BC and ended in ca. 1 AD.

Constellation boundary year:

Shephard Simpson interpretation: began ca. 1875 BC to ca. 100 AD

Overview "The Age of War, Fire and the Ram"
Historical similarities Aries represents a Fire symbol as well as bold actions, a lot of these behaviors can be seen during any age. However, the themes emphasised during this age relate to courage, initiative, war & adventure. Nations during this age such as the expanding empires of China, Persia, Greece and Rome, are often cited as examples of the archetypes of Aries in action. Also the Aries constellation shows a ram running. This could correspond with the sacrifice of Abraham's Ram. While the number of names containing the sound of the ram during this period is noted: Ra (Sun God), Ram, Rama, Brahman, Brahma, Abram/Abraham, Amon Ra, and Ramesses I.[dubious – discuss] The battering ram was employed by the Assyrians, Greeks and Romans with great success during this time.[dubious – discuss] (The symbol of Mars, the planetary ruler of Aries, evokes this interpretation.) According to the Roman state religion, the Roman people were the "Sons of Mars".

Aries is associated with the metal iron, and iron ore was for the first time smelted and worked into iron swords in Anatolia during the early phase of this era, replacing the heavier, softer-metalled, duller-edged bronze swords of the previous Taurus Age.

Traits of Aries such as 'initiative' may suggest the explosion of originality in the development of social aspects, sciences and arts in regions such as Ancient Greece but at the same time traits such as 'Impulsivity' may be attributed to the various Wars of the time.

Religious similarities The Age of Aries ushered in efforts to replace polytheism with monotheism. The earliest known attempt was by the Egyptian Pharaoh Akhenaten, who, in about 1350 BC, decreed the Sun God Aten to be the supreme deity, apparently in reaction to his earlier lack of inclusion in religious rites by his family. After his death, however, power reverted to the original polytheistic priests, who re-established the old religion. Speculation (including that of Freud) has it that later, during the reign of Ramesses II, Moses was influenced by rumour of Akhenaten's revolutionary idea, and grasped the idea of a single supreme God, who especially favoured his people, as an inspirational mechanism that best suited his people held in bondage. The symbol of Aries can be seen as representing the power of multiple gods streaming down into a single god-head.

Moses (born c. 16th–13th Century BC; 7 Adar 2368 - 7 Adar 2488 in the Hebrew calendar), an early Biblical Hebrew religious leader, lawgiver, prophet, and military leader, condemns his own people upon finding them worshiping a 'golden calf' (a symbol of the previous Age of Taurus and of the worship of the bull deity) after coming down Mount Sinai. These events may have occurred during the Age of Aries (see also Dating the Exodus overview).
See also:

Mithraism
The Mithraic Question and Precession

The Age of Pisces (The Piscean Age)

Symbol of Pisces:

The zodiacal signs:

the vernal equinox (northern hemisphere) is occurring in Pisces;

The Age of Pisces is technically the current age and some astrologers believe it will remain so for approximately another 600 years. At that time, the vernal equinox point will no longer be facing Pisces, but moved into the constellation of Aquarius, thus beginning the Age of Aquarius. However, there are many astrologers who believe that the Age of Aquarius has already arrived or will arrive soon.

Timeframes

Zodiacal 30 degrees:

Neil Mann interpretation: began in ca. AD 1 and ends in ca. AD 2150.
Heindel-Rosicrucian interpretation: began in ca. AD 498 and ends in ca.AD 2654

Constellation boundary year:

Shephard Simpson interpretation: began ca. 100/90 BC and ends ca. AD 2680.

Overview

"The Age of Monotheism, Spirituality, and the Fish"

Historical similarities

The Age of Pisces is characterized by the rise of many religions such as Christianity (founded 1st Century), Islam (founded 7th Century) and Buddhism (founded 6th to 4th Century BC) due to the "spiritual" nature of Pisces and its ability to go beyond the boundaries of the physical world. The Age of Pisces is mainly marked by the continuous research of humanity about the truth hidden behind what's perceived by five senses (see platonism).

Traits of Pisces such as being "gentle" and artistically able but at the same time "impractical" may hint to the dominance of aristocracy.

 

Oh, and I nearly forgot to add - John the Baptist was a personification of Aquarius, who immediately precedes Pisces in the yearly zodiacal course, but immediately proceeds Pisces in the Great Year, hence the Age of Aquarius coming up after the Age of Pisces. The Gospel was concerned with the Great Year Age of Pisces (Jesus = the solar hero of that age), but John the Waterman personified Aquarius based simply on the sun's passing through that house in early Spring, just before the Sun reached Spring and Equinox, where Jesus purportedly was baptised and began his ministry. He did this at the time the sun was crossing the Spring Equinox, I must reiterate, when the sun's power was beginning to grow and defeat the darkness. The seasons played a spiritual role here - they were so interpreted. Winter was a time of darkness, when the sun - light, warmth and goodness - was defeated by the forces of evil. It died on Winter Solstice and remained dead 3 days, but was reborn 3 days later when it began to ascend again... On December 25th.

 

Yeshua was 2 years old. do more research.

Matthew 2:16

 

Witchcraft at it's best.

 

Oh yes, they existed. Just as Babylonian Sun god worshippers and not Muslim by name. to this very day they do the same. Sun, Moon, Stars

 

Herod died in Jericho in 4 BC.

 

In Greek lore he died in 4BC. but he hunted Yeshua while he was alive which is why he wanted boys ages 2 under to be killed. He knew Yeshua was already on the planet. Which is why the Wise men mocked him.

 

Muslims do not worship the sun, moon, or stars.

Nor does their religion come from Babylon.

 

The slaughter of the children never happened.. but its a literary feature of many old testament stories.

 

Varus was in this time in Palestine and I heard he killed lots of people there and erased complete villages from the map. I also heard some years ago someone found a grave with lots of babies out of this time in the area there - victims of mass-murder as it looked like. It's not very important - but perhaps you are wrong and some people looked indeed for the newborn king because they liked to kill him.

http://youtu.be/IbTxbsiTb4Y

 

Where does it come from then?


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