Gun Control In Australia...FAIL!

a) a gun is a force equalizer, ask any 100 lb woman against a 250 lb man.
b) There are no statistics that are conclusive either way.
c) gun control laws take guns OUT of the hands of law abiding citizens, crooks already have then and by definition of a criminal, they do not follow the law.
d) ask anyone in fascist countries how well not having a gun protected them.

 

Here is something one can do in a free country.

Local scoot and shoot. Pay to ride to different ranges and shoot for prizes while open carrying. The money went to a local policeman's daughter for treatment in NY.

 

We (the public) don't need guns for defense, we need them for fun. A gun is just a tool, an implement used for sport and recreation. Guns are no more potentialy dangerous than a whole range of other things. Up until 1990 in Queensland there were virtualy no gun laws but we didn't have a gun problem. On the contrary, we had lots of unfettered gun fun! One of the safest sporting and fun activities of them all. Go have a look at the statistics for broken bones, paraplegics and quadraplegics that are caused by football every year. Have a look at the statistics for death and injury amongst scuba divers, amongst racing car/motorcycle drivers, how many people are injured and killed in water sports every year? I say again, the gun laws didn't fix anything because there was nothing to fix.

 

Political viability. Gun laws are passed so politicians can say they did something about crime.

 

This is the most ridiculous argument for gun ownership ever.

Let's look at Germany in the 1930s- 1940s. How many years and how many Allied countries did it take to beat the might of the Wehrmacht? Would a couple of million citizens with hunting rifles and hand guns do any better?

 

Most arguments for gun ownership are ridiculous, the Americans however, their argument is sad. That they live in a country where they need guns to defend themselves against the police, the government and their fellow countrymen is a sad country.

 

I have said this before and I will say it again. Peace is not at the end of a gun barrel, peace is when you can throw your gun away.
I think it was Ghandi who said. There is no road to peace, peace is the road.

 

They wern`t all Afghans, and they wern`t camel herders, they were transport opperators, with a nasty reputation for poisoning water holes to keep bullockys out. They wern`t ever in large enough numbers to threaten the peace of the land, but some then were, as now, quite hateful individuals.

 

Yep! Man often loses. Woman that size is often VERY fit whereas the man may not be fit at all = but for this to work the woman must A) have the gun to hand 24/7 365 b) be able to actually fire it without the recoil pushing her backwards across the room and c) be willing to actually use it in a fire fight

Only if you believe the NRA me, I rather like the statistic that compares gun related homicides in America to the rest of the world - take heart you are not the worst there are still plenty of war zones throughout the world with higher gun related homicides

But that assumes that society can be easily divided into "good guys" and "bad guys" I mean even mass murderers obey some laws

examples???

Meanwhile on the non-gun side we have Ghandi, the velvet revolution, the orange revolution and many many others

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience

 

Usual defence re classify everyone so that the prejudice stays intact

"Transport operators" LOLS!!!

 

FAIL, I can show you men between the weights of 225 and 250 that are very fit and very strong.

Another FAIL. Gun deaths in America have always been higher, highest in black communities (approx 50% of gun deaths(, it is cultural.

Gun crimes in Australia went down a little while before rising to it's normal level after the ban.

Examples? The twentieth century.

 

Evidently the sales of guns in the U.S. are up again in the millions of guns being sold in anticipation of an Obama reelection. Most seem to believe in a second term he will go all out to restrict gun owner rights and conceivably appoint liberal Supreme Court justices who would rule again on the 2nd amendment. They could claim it was improperly ruled on and overturn it. In a second term of Obama he would have a free hand to do whatever he wanted to do because he doesn't have to run for reelection unless he gets a heavily Democratic Congress which would overturn the 22nd Amendment.

With our national debt and the unraveling of our society I could see us going the way of Venezuela. I do not believe our democracy will last through a second term. In fact, if I were younger I would leave the U.S. and move to Canada. Our nation is essentially ungovernable. I see a military dictatorship in our future.

 

Here the treatment would be free and we would be using paint balls - more fun less danger

 

Yes! Like the kid that accidentally shot his face off or the bloke with the pellet embedded in his eye........

It is NOT safe never was and those who think it was have not worked in medicine

 

I hear that a lot - never with any actual statistics though and if I owned an armaments factory and had found that circulating a rumour like that boosted my sales...........

As for the military dictatorship - would not worry too much

 

As usual no proof just opinion

 

I understand that you have to have things written for you in crayon, but you could do a little research yourself and find out the truth.

 

Logical argument never counters an emotional agenda. As you say, only a closed mind is certain.

 

BB, that one was even more bizarre than what we have become accustomes to. Would you kindly explain what you meant about "re classifying", and how that relates to prejudice? Also, the "Transport operators" bit?

 

A gun helps when you are out-numbered or encounter a criminal with a gun. The police do not necessarily arrive on time.

The statistics in the U.S. prove than States that allow the most carrying of weapons, have less violent crime. Washington DC and Chicago had the highest crime rates over the last several years, and they both had gun bans, and still have cumbersome gun laws on the books.

Gun control laws can make it burdensome for some law-abiding citizens to exercise their rights.

It's more about the freedom to be able to keep and bear arms, rather than actually toting a gun.

 

BB, you are becoming hysterical. You need to calm down a bit and THINK before you reply. Go back and re-read my post and next time give us an intelligent response that addresses the statements in the message.
There are fewer injuries suffered by hunters and target shooters than any in any other sport, well almost any other, maybe ping pong players have less injuries...

 

And people complain that gun sports are dangerous!!!


http://www.smh.com.au/national/educ...es-masked-by-lack-of-data-20120213-1t2b8.html

Http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl/injuries

 

Target shooters yes - guns in general NO

Remember I am an ICU nurse and have had the misfortune to actually have to care for gunshot injuries. See they do not leave the nice little round holes shown on TV shows (well not unless it is a BB gun)

Gunshots transfer the energy of the bullet to the tissues they penetrate so that the entry wound is often far less than the exit wound or the pathway

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More here

http://www.elearning-forensics.com/firearms8080.html

http://www.firearmsid.com/Feature Articles/092402/JohannesburgTraumaUnit3.htm

And NO pictures carry with them the overriding and penetrating SMELL of gunshot wounds - it is as unique as burning flesh and for much the same reason - so much tissue has had pressure/ shockwave damage that it has necroses. The people are then sentenced to often live with horrific injuries - similar to burns injuries if facial or major traffic accident if in the body region.
gNow just because some people playing sports get injured does that mean we should allow children to play with fire?

 

Sure, guns are dangerous and can cause horrible injuries and death but so can many other things. Importantly everyone knows that guns are dangerous and should be handled carefully. No amount of legislation can prevent fools from hurting themselves and others in all sorts of ways apart from guns. Our restrictive gun laws have achieved nothing except make life harder for people who have always been sensible with their guns. I have owned guns all my life, since I was twelve years old when I got my first .22 well actualy I had a air rifle before that. I know and have known many, many other gun owners, I participated in competition rifle and pistol shooting for many years and still go hunting. All my life I have known only one person who had an accident with a gun and that could only be descriped as a freak accident. He wasn't doing anything wrong at the time and didn't suffer any permanent damage. Far more people hurt themselves seriously with power tools than with guns and as a nurse you would have seen your far share of those injuries. I know people who have done themselve permanent damage with power tools, I know a fellow who cut half his foot off with a circular saw and another who shot himselve in the arm with a nail gun and now has reduced use of that arm and hand because of nerve damage. Another bloke I know blinded himselve in one eye using an angle grinder. but I don't hear any calls for tough power tool laws!

 

Oh! How I wish that were true!!

So one of my "please don't go there" memories

Years ago - before the gun ban I came on duty Boxing day. Was told "Look after pt in bed X - not ventilated but we are allocating him to you because you have a strong stomach" You never want to hear THOSE words if you are an ICU nurse. 14 year old Kid was lying in bed - tracheostomy and wet combines over his face. I lifted the combines and saw what looked like a raspberry jam covered donut with a tube sticking out of it - that was all that was left of this kid's face. He had been given a gun for christmas and had been at home when the parents went next door to a party. He got drunk and managed to put the bullet through the base of his chin and take out his entire jaw, top lip and maxilla and his nose.

There will always be fools and nothing is as foolish a drunken idiot with a gun

So we should also repeal seat belt acts, pool fences and bring back fire cracker nights???

Aren't you lucky!! Want some more of MY memories - I have some pretty horrific ones