If you want to restrain the feds

"To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;"

 

"Implied Powers" must directly relate to the enumerated powers in Article 1, Section 8, and the amendments. They are not covering just anything liberals want to expand the power of government.

Any legitimate amendment needs large super majorities to actually pass and become ratified, something Democrats can no longer get for their schemes. Democrat rule is therefore illegitimate EVERY TIME they expand the power of government. When does that NOT occur?

 

That is my point.

There is a system in place to change the power of the Federal Government but these people do not want to use it.

Instead they are promoting the idea of simply nullifying Federal law under the assumption that the 10th amendment gives them the power to do so.

It does not and the Supremacy Clause clearly states this.

If you feel the Federal Government has overstepped its bounds we also have a system in place to deal with that. Its called the judicial process and the Supreme Court has told the Federal Government its wrong on more than one occassion.

Basically this video is nothing more then a bunch of anarchists who do not want to work within the system to effect change the way the framers of the Constitution allowed them to.

 

The greatest blow dealt to America was of course the Federal Reserve Act; but not too far behind that would have to be the 17th amendment.

Once that amendment stripped the states of their ability to appoint Senators, a tremendous check on the FedGov's power was removed. Because the federal judiciary and Supreme Court justices are confirmed by the Senate, the states used to have a way of keeping the FedGov in check - that of course is no longer the case.

When the New Deal ran into problems in the courts FDR embarked upon his infamous court packing scheme; but he needn't have worried, it was only a matter of time before the flavor of the court would be swung in favor of the treasonous, radical left - Viola!!! Just add water - easy, peasy, japanesey... that which was unconstitutional yesterday, is today the law of the land!!

The government controlled miseducation system, radicalized by Ivy League leftists who teach the teachers, funded by the ruling elite thru their foundations whose goal it has always been to bring American freedom to her knees, replaced our republic with their democracy and began to fill America's little skulls of mush with notions of the Constitution as "a living document".

The rest if gravity. America's judiciary is packed with radical leftists; the FedGov is ever increasing in power; and liberty is ever being diminished. So goes history over and over...

Just as Hitler's Nazi courts, and Stalin's bureaucratic machinery rubber stamped everything, so too are America's radicalized courts rubber stamping the expansion of our police state.

 

You should try reading the Constitution sometime, or take a class so you understand it... States are not compelled to follow illegal federal law that violates the Constitution. The legitimate powers are found in Article 1. Section 8 and the Amendments. Any other law or Leftist Shenanigan simply does not adhere to the Constitution, and are therefore illegitimate. Yes, Youz Guyz must lie and miss represent history to get your way. Keep it up. Youz Guyz will cause a second "Civil War." This time it will be those who wish to follow the Constitution against the Treasonous Left!

 

It occures too much and also under repbulicans.

Being a far far right conservative I believe our Federal Government has far more power then the Framers ever intended.

 

The Supreme Court must rule "under" the Constitution. They do not get to make up law from the bench. Cite the Power in the Constitution that would allow Obamacare for example... If you can't the Tenth Amendment makes Obmmacare, and virtually all other Leftists Shenanigans unconstitutional and illegitimate. If Supreme Court Justices make up law from the bench they can and should be impeached. See how the policies of your side are driving this country to war?

 

Yes, I know the federal courts bend over backwards to rubber stamp what the other branches do. What I want is for the federal government to follow the law. It's naive to expect the federal government to limit itself. Nullification is a perfectly good remedy for when it tries to usurp powers that belong to the states. It was first introduced at the ratifying conventions, and first used within fifteen years of the establishment of the federal government as a response to the alien and sedition act.

 

I'll tell my university to take back my degree on your recommendation then.

To your point,

There is nothing the federal government passes that is unconstitutional until the Supreme Court says it is which means you must follow the judicial process first. A State cannot simply declare something as unconstitutional and not follow it. Besides that, once the process is started the law is put on hold so its irrelevant until decided.

And yes, Article I section 8 contains the powers of Congress so if you would enlighten me on which laws they are passing that fall outside of that scope then tell me please because I would be very interested.

 

Why do you believe that? It could be claimed that the only reason we are as developed as we are, is due to recourse to a central bank.

 

Then you are not a Conservative, but a Libertarian; someone who rejects the Constitution in favor of the Article of Confederation. The Federal Government was designed to be VERY POWERFUL in very FEW ways, something the LEFT rejects.

 

Why make more laws that the government won't follow?

 

State the power found in the Constitution for Obamacare... We are all waiting...

 

How do you account for our current controversy over Arms? Having recourse to a State Militia is a States' right secured by our Second Amendment.

 

They don't make up law they interpret it.

If your wondering about Obamacare then you can read their reasoning in about a 500 page document. There is nothing unconstitutional in their decision and its actually based on quite a bit of precedence. I don't agree with it but its certainly not unconstitutional.

And when you say the must rule under the Constitution you do realize that they are tasked with interpreting what it means. Therefore they can interpret it anyway they like and any ruling they make would fall under the Constitution.

Or are you implying they must use your interpretation of it?

There has never in the history of the Supreme Court been a law made up by them.

NEVER

 

Was there something you said about the rule of law at some point?

 

Not understanding your question....sorry.

 

Legislation is a joke.

 

You don't understand that if the federal government gets to make up the law as we go, the constitution is meaningless? Is it that you don't think federal courts are part of the federal government?

 

The federal government is tasked with making law. That is the basically the main job of the Congress. So yes, they get to make it up as they go lol.

Not sure what your issue here is.

And yes, federal courts are part of the federal government, that is why they both have the word federal in their title.

duh

 

Wrong!!! I am asking YOU what in the Constitution would allow Obamacare. Precedent AFTER 1937 does not count since Democrat FDR threatened the Supreme Court so they would stop ruling his "New Deal" unconstitutional. Google the "Switch in Time that Saved Nine!" Don't cite precedent based on the Democrat Quiet Coup of 1937 as it is as illegitimate as is the Democrat Party and has nothing to do with the Constitution.

To "Interpret" something you by definition have to provide "meaning," the “meaning” is defined by the Founders, not by Democrat hack justices! They don’t get to make up their own meaning as that is "extrapolation." What power listed in the Constitution would allow Obamacare?

 

Ok I will answer.

The Constitution gives the Supreme Court all the judicial power in the land, meaning that any greivance that comes into their court has to abide by their decisions. Obamacare came into their court and they decided it was legitimate.

Per the power given to them by the Constitution that is the reason it exists and why it is constitutional.

If the Supreme Court said that aliens existed because its in the Constitution guess what, they would exist.

 

YOU still have not answered my Obamacare question because we BOTH know you can't.

Your view that the Supreme Court gets to make up what THEY say is “Constitutional” (meaning adheres to the Constitution, not the opinion of judges sitting on the bench) is incorrect as I have pointed out the justices MUST rule UNDER the Constitution. Please review the impeachment case of Supreme Court Justice Samuel Chase. He won his case but was charged with not following the Constitution, or ruling from his own opinion which was thought to be contrary to the Constitution.

 

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No, he does not understand that, by virtue of either mental incapacity or sheer determination.