If you want to restrain the feds

you have to do it yourself.
Nullification is the only effective response to unconstitutional federal legislation.

[video=youtube;JEKmNgcYEkY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEKmNgcYEkY[/video]

The Supreme Court has shown that they will just rubber stamp whatever congress does.

 

Sorry but no states has any authority to nullify federal law.

 

Oh they sure do. The states created the federal government, and did not give it authority to do anything not expressly delegated to it in the document that defines and give it its very existence. Federal legislation has been nullified, and more will be. Watch the video and learn something.

 

No I'm sorry they don't. Federal law supersedes state law every time. Your right wing fantasy is just that, a fantasy.

 

You should read more. You could just watch the video and learn how states have, and are currently nullifying federal legislation. But I understand that certain beliefs bring comfort. So go ahead and cling to them.

 

Sorry your tea party video is most likely all false anyway. I don't have an hour to spare watching this nonsense. Federal law supersedes state law every single time without question, sorry thats just the way it is.

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Sorry your tea party video is most likely all false anyway. I don't have an hour to spare watching this nonsense. Federal law supersedes state law every single time without question, sorry thats just the way it is.

 

Its called the Supremecy Clause and is directly in the Constitution itself. For somebody saying that you want to follow the Constitution your not doing a very good job.

States cannot nullify Federal Law. The Court has decided time and again that Federal law trumps State law however the States can do whatever they want in the absence of Federal law or if Congress delegates the power to them as they do in many cases especially like commerce.

If a State is nullifying Federal law its not a legal action and they can be held accountable for it.

 

There you have it Maximatic, straight from the mouth of one on your side. Thanks Kenrichaed.

 

What if the People of that State do not consider some Thing a State crime; why should the general government be able to trample States' rights without showing cause for the necessity or propriety of that need?

 

Because of this

Article VI clause II

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.

 

Well armed Americans could nullify/regulate the deeds of the militia.

But, you can't do it when the milita is better armed than yourself. Can you?


Maybe we deserve to be made helpless. What good did we ever do with our Right to regulate the militia?
We sat around cheering them on from one crime to the next.

 

Could it possibly be that congress hasn't violated any laws nor the constitution as of yet???

Or are you just unhappy with the decisions because they weren't what you'd hope that they'd be??

 

i for one welcome our new federal overlords

 

It is not quite correct to say a state can nullify federal law. It IS correct to say no state is bound by any unconstitutional statute, and therefore need take no particular action, although there is certainly nothing wrong with the state bearing witness to the unconstitutionality of such a statute.

 

Laws have been violated in the past and they've been dealt with by the Supreme Court.

Currently, the Federal Government is not violating any laws and your correct to say that some people just don't like what's going on so they throw out this unconstitutional phrase without understanding what it means.

I watched most of this video by the way and its really nothing more than anarchists masturbating over the 10th amendment without knowing what it actually means and why it was put into the Bill of Rights. They are beyond clueless when it comes to the Constitution.

To them the 10th amendment trumps everything and that just is not the case.

 

You don't get it. It doesn't matter what the courts say. The supremacy clause only matters when the federal government is in compliance with the constitution. When the federal government tries to usurp powers expressly delegated to the states, the federal government is already in violation of the law, and it's not up to any branch of the federal government to say otherwise. It's up to the states, from whence the general government derives all authority delegated to it. The federal government doesn't give power to the states. It's the other way around. All authority originates with the people, not the abstract entity that that people created.

As I said, unconstitutional federal legislation has been nullified in the past by states, and is being nullified right now by no less than fourteen states. Whether you like it or not, this is the way the sensible founders intended for it to work, and the way it actually is.

 

Nope.

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.Nope.

 

That's it? That's your argument?

 

I see I'm going to have to teach you some things here.

First of all, the only powers given to the States are those concerning elections or choosing representatives.

Period

Secondly, the federal government does not derive its authority from the States or from the people, it derives them from the Constitution and the Supreme Courts interpretation of it.

Period.

You could have the entire State of Arkansas tell the Federal government what power it had and it would be irrelevant. They don't get their power from the people. If you don't like the power the Constitution gives them then "we the people" have a way to change it, through the amendment process.

And the federal government does give power to the States by taking inaction. When the government does not make a law regarding something then that power goes to the States. The Congress has intentionally done this in the past simply because they didn't want to be bothered regulating something. They just don't address it so the State has to.

 

Can you cite where our federal Congress has any power to legislate in all Cases whatsoever, outside of the federal districts?

 

Incorrect. There's nothing you can teach me. All powers not expressly delegated to the federal government by the states which created and ratified the constitution are delegated to the states and to the people.

The power to govern is derived from the consent of the governed. That's a fact of life, and some of the founders were wise enough to acknowledge it in the founding document.

 

What is a federal district?

 

Normally I say the board rules constrain me from adequately characterizing the idiocy of a comment. In this case I'm afraid I'm constrained by the limits of the English language.

 

The Supreme Court, which according to the Constitution has the final word on everything, has affirmed express powers and IMPLIED powers to the Congress of the United States.

What that means in lamens terms is that even if it is not specifically written in the Constitution it is still considered a power of Congress or the Executive Branch.

And when you say the power to govern is derived from the consent of the governed what do you mean exactly? The governed, right now, has all the power to change the Constitution to anything they want. Yet your saying you don't want to go that route and prefer just ignoring the rules currently laid out by the Constitution?

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Basically, if the people wanted, we have the power to put in an amendment to the Constitution that says the President must stand on his head and crow like a rooster 3 times a day.