Fonda Calls Nam Photo 'An Unforgivable Mistake'

cry us a river

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/02/jane-fonda-vietnam-photo-oprah_n_2994929.html

 

Interesting, her description of how she was 'set up' for the photo is damn close to an exact duplicate of scenarios used in SERE training to illustrate what NOT to do.

 

Remember OPSEC on SERE training, at least specifics.

 

I call it an unforgivable mistake too.

 

For cryin out loud the woman is 75 years old. Leave her alone. If anyone wants to (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) at anybody regarding Vietnam, how about the idiots who got us into the war and kept it going ?

Note: Eisenhower did send some troops in the 50s, but he was concerned with tin and tungsten (critical raw materials back then). Later in the 60s, he expressed dismay at what they whole thing had turned into. I give Jane Fonda credit for somehow trying to put a stop to the idiotic madness, however clumsy she went about it, and let's not forget she was pretty young back then.. People do stupid things when they're young, but what she did still wasn't as stupid as LBJ, Nixon, McNamara, et al.

 

oh she tried to put a stop to it all right. the North was counting heavily on winning with her and her ilks help and the media. and they got it. so your flower child gets the credit for POW beatings and murder. but she was a child right??? not responsible for her actions huh??? just turn a blind eye.

Many of the POW's were listed as missing in action so to identify themselves to American authorities, they each wrote their Social Security numbers on small pieces of paper and slipped them to Fonda as she greeted them. To their horror, however, after Fonda finished meeting them, she turned to the North Vietnamese commanding officer and handed him the POW's pieces of paper. In the beatings that followed, three American POW's died and another officer who nearly died.

but to you this is forgivable because she was a toddler. even if one of those that died was your father or brother right??? so we foregive the kid and now the old (*)(*)(*)(*)(*).

archive: Vietnam Vet Spits on Jane Fonda

A man spat tobacco juice into the face of actress Jane Fonda after waiting in line to have her sign her new book, according to Kansas City police.

According to police the alleged spitter, Michael A. Smith, ran off after the incident but was apprehended and charged with disorderly conduct. Smith, a Vietnam veteran, told The Kansas City Star that he considers Fonda a "traitor" and said that her protests against the Vietnam war were unforgivable.

"There are a lot of veterans who would love to do what I did," the Star quoted Smith as saying.

Fonda, 67, who is on tour promoting her newly released autobiography My Life So Far, preferred not to press charges. In her book, the actress writes about her position as a polarizing figure for many Vietnam veterans who were angered by her 1972 trip to Hanoi to oppose the war. During that trip she was photographed laughing as she sat on a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft tank.

Said Fonda in a statement afterwards: "In spite of the incident, my experience in Kansas City was wonderful and I thank all the warm and supportive people, including so many veterans, who came to welcome me last night."

and the leadership??? well he surrendered and ran for home

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what I do on her grave won't pass for flowers

 

I stand by everything I said 100%, and although I was lucky enough to not be sent to Vietnam during my 5 years in the Army, I absolutely would not have engaged the NLF (AKA Viet Cong) or North Vietnamese, or Vietnamese civilians in any kind of combat. I would have taken a non-combat (ex. medical assistance) role, or none at all. Some of the worst villains are the guys who went to Vietnam, and killed innocent people (including women and babies) who never attacked us in the US. They could have opted out, and they should have.

In contrast, the uncivilized, barbaric savages known as Muslim jihadists have been attacking us right here in the USA. I salute and support our courageous young military people fighting these creeps in Afghanistan, just as I would have supported and fought in World War II, if I had been old enough. And I did volunteer to fight in Afghanistan, but the military turned me down because of my age (66)

 

that's beside the point. she cost men their lives. lives it seems you could care less about. and I shouldn't have to remind you of all people civilians die in wars. everone of em. the north butchered millions of their own. so don't give me this baby killer crap. that dog don't hunt.

 

It was Nixon who got us out of Viet Nam. It was Kennedy and Johnson who got us in.

 

I see no reason to leave her alone myself. She was an adult when she made that trip, she was not a child. She willingly made a choice to go to North Vietnam. And while she was there she knowingly decided to make propaganda broadcasts for an enemy nation. Personally, I still consider her a traitor to this day for doing so. Of course, this goes along with a great many celebrities on "The Left", who seem to have a fascination in going to places where some of the most horrid dictators live(d), like North Korea, Cuba and Venezuela. While there they give speeches saying "Down with the US, Viva insert name".

And the leftists have orgasms whenever this happens. I simply can't understand it. Just this last week we had yet another one, a famous American going to North Korea, calling the dictator his friend, and claiming eternal support. At the same time that same dictator threatens to nuke his home country.

Oh, I absolutely love it when people use that line when trying to pass off her actions.

"Young"? She was 34 freaking years old! Sorry, but that is not "young", that is a full grown adult who should know the difference between right and wrong, unless they are mentally challenged. So unless somebody is going to try and claim she had diminished mental capacities, she was not "young".

Feel free to check, she was born in December 1937, she visited North Vietnam in August 1972.

 

Nixon promised a "secret plan to end the war". Then he ESCALATED it like no one else ever did, with round the clock bombings of North Vietnam for months, killing millions of innocent people who never hurt anyone, including women & children.

As for who go us in , it was my favorite president the guy in my avatar (Eisenhower), however to him it was a very different thing, as I mentioned earlier. Of the presidents, I'd say the most responsible for getting us in was Johnson, ....most responsible for keeping us in, and inflicting damage(to everyone) was Nixon.

 

That dog DOES HUNT, and you're just too chicken sh-t to face up to it, like all the other idiots I see walking around with Vietnam Veteran caps, complete with the ribbon colors. I wear a hat that says United States Army Veteran, and has a crossed swords pin on it, but there's nothing about Vietnam, and there certainly never will be.
And nobody cost more people their lives than the guys who went there, when they didn't have to. Not everybody did, even with that da-mn draft we had back then.

 

LOL. Well, I'm 67, so 34 is a young person to me. My kids are in their 40s.

You consider Dennis Rodman and the Harlem Globetrotters "traitors" ? They just went to North Korea, and cozied up to Kim Jong Un. (you know the guy who's threatening us with nuclear missles, right now ?)

 

I can't believe they let you wear a uniform. your a disguting total disgrace to it. traitor

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I can't believe they let you wear a uniform. your a disgusting total disgrace to it. traitor

 

I'm not a traitor. YOU ARE. For going to Vietnam, and disgracing this country like you did.,

Like I said , in a war based on the right cause (like Afghanistan), I would be there in a minute. But Vietnam ? Only an idiot would go there and shoot at people who never attacked us. You're a DISGRACE. And I suppose you don't even know that the Tonkin Gulf non-incident, you so stupidly show off in your avatar, was proven 40 years ago to be a phony ploy (no shooting & "nothing more than waves hitting the side of the ship", as they said.

 

Sorry, one thing has nothing to do with the other. Are you trying to say that Jane Fonda when she took that trip and made those statements was an adult, she was not "young" or a child. I could not care less how old you are, they have nothing to do with each other.

And then you go and combine 2 separate things, and try to make them seem the same.

The "Harlem Globetrotters" were not there, just 3 of them.

Dennis Rodman went there as a vacation, he did not play basketball, he went to watch the game with King Kim. And I did not hear any of the "Globetrotters" claiming that Kim was their "Friend for life".

It is one thing to perform for a murderous dictator, it is quite another to say he is your new best friend.

I love how you keep defending people who attack this country, then you go and attack "other" veterans. Sorry, but I don't get that.

Oh, and I proudly wear my military patches on a leather jacket that I wear everywhere. Does that make me also some kind of idiot or traitor?

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I see. So only a war you agree with is OK, any other and you are a traitor for serving and doing your duty.

Let me guess, you also spit on veterans in airports I bet.

 

You have a "duty" to do what is right, guided by your conscience, not what some ONE SINGLE idiot (in the White House) tells you to do, when nobody declared war, including the Congress who is the only one with the right to do so. If somebody tells you to go jump off the highest bridge in your town, do you do it ?

And no I don't spit on anyone anywhere.

As far your military patches, it all depends on what they are. If they are from serving in Vietnam, displaying them sure does make you an idiot.

 

Once again, your entire definition is determined by what you think is right. You are so entirely self-absorbed, that the only opinion that matters in the entire universe is your own. Nobody is allowed to think differently then you, believe differently then you, or do anything that you do not like.

Begone narrow minded one. I have no use for somebody who when they change a lightbulb they just lie on their back, because the universe revolves around them.

 

To this day I have a very negative view of Jane Fonda. I refuse to watch her movies and want nothing to do with her. I respect those who opposed the war, but Jane actively helping the NVA is damn near unforgivable. If she has come to see how she took her idealism way too far, that is good, if she is sorry that is better... but nothing she can say or do will ever wash those photos from my mind.

I stand firmly with our Vietnam Vets. They have my respect and support.

 

It was.

Of course, Nixon's efforts to stop disclosure of the Pentagon Papers was far worse but that's a different story.

 

Have you been living in a closet for the last 40 years ? Good God man, everyone in America, and the world knows the US govt was WRONG in fighting the war in Vietnam. The Viets didn't attack us like the Islamist loons did. They didn't do anything against us. They were peaceful people just living their lives, and LBJ and Nixon bombed the crap out of them. Where is your mind ? You talk like I'm the only one who knows this, when in fact, it sounds like you're the only one on the planet who does NOT know it. Pheeeeeeeww!! (high-pitched whistle) - Get with it, dude. You're 40 years behind the times already. 2013 and you still don't know who the good guys and bad guys were in Vietnam. Sheeeeesh !!

 

The North Vietnamese had every right to shoot down American planes just as much as American anti-aircraft gunners would have the right to shoot down any foreign nations' bombers who would fly over the USA, and bomb us. Please stop the hypocrisy. When you are ready to say its OK for North Korea (for example) to fly their planes over HERE and bomb us, then you can crab about the North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gunners (and Jane Fonda with them).

I DO NOT respect or support the Vietnam Vets. To support them is to support unjustifiable mass murder.

 

The 3 dumbest people on earth:

1. Smokers who insist on being allowed to smoke in public places indoors.

2. People who convert to Islam.

3. Vietnam veterans who wear hats and other Vietnam War paraphenelia, bragging about having fought in Vietnam. (this is more than stupid. It's disgusting)

 

Wow, really. And once again, the "protectionistcentric" universe refuses to revolve around you. Get ready, cause I am gonna let you have it yet again.

Yes, North Vietnam did attack us. Because it attacked a nation that we had a defense treaty with, South Vietnam. And the very idea of a Defense Treaty is that an attack upon one nation is an attack on both nations. Therefore by International law and treaty, when North Vietnam attacked South Vietnam, they attacked the US.

Not to mention the US troops that were in South Vietnam at the time.

Just as much as North Korea attacked South Korea. Or Iraq attacked Kuwait. Or Germany attacked Poland. If you can't understand a concept this simple, then you really need to understand more about how treaties work.

So when you attempt to attack a neighboring nation with annexation to your own, then you deserve to get the stuffing bombed out of you. As far as good guys and bad guys, why not ask the approximately 1 million South Vietnamese that were sent to re-education camps who was good and bad. Or the 500,000 who fled the country as the "boat people" if North Vietnam winning was a good thing.

Or the 1.5-2.5 million who were simply killed by the new Vietnamese government. Through outright executions, imprisonment, or purposeful starvation of entire regions in retribution for opposing them in the war (like the Hmong). When you look at such outright numbers of deaths not during a war but during a peace as punishment for fighting in the first place, I wonder how anybody could consider the North Vietnamese the "Good Guys".

Oh, thank you very much, now I have a much better idea of where to place you in consideration of others.

You my friend are a bigot. So excuse me, but I am not going to tell you to go frack yourself because that could get me evicted from the board. But I am going to tell you that anybody that thinks that people who choose to join Islam are among the stupidest on earth is somebody I want absolutely nothing to do with.

Is it not amazing that among the most "Liberal", you have such a consensus of thought. Almost universally, they think that the right side won the Vietnam War, and they are Islamophobes. This is so amazing, because I see it over and over again. Well my friend, you are wrong on both of these. And to me pretty much anybody that hates others for their choice in religion is a complete *******, and should be ashamed to be seen in public with decent people. Personally, I think all such people should have a giant B tattooed on their foreheads, so everybody can know what a bigot can look like.

 

What the hell are you even talking about? Of course the NVA had the right to shoot down aircraft... so what the heck does that have to do with Jane Fonda?