Atheists often claim that a God who loves his creation couldn't possibly tolerate the inhumanity some countries have imposed on their fellow man. (they ignore or deny the fact that most of the worst of those offenses were committed by announced or functional atheists.) On their list of course is the Terror in France, Pol Pot, Idi Amin and others, but at the top the NAZIs of Germany 1933-1945. It is notable that most of those people had short careers (often ended by religious people) but that isn't what this thread is about. Were the NAZIs mean to animals? God didn't just make man, but also fungus, flowers, weeds, fish, birds and mammals. Do you think God should favor one of his creations (the one that denies his existence, disobeys his commands and disrepects his work the most) over all others? That's human-chauvinism. let's consider how the rest of nature reacted to the NAZIs. Maggots feasted on a continual supply of dead, improperly buried bodies. Sea creatures feasted on the bodies of people who went down in submarines and battleships. Grasses and weeds were able to grow in places where concrete parking lots and factories had kept them out for decades. African predators were able to eat victims of tank battles. In other words, while humans took a heavy toll, almost every other living thing on Earth appears to have done better because of World War II and the holocaust.
Hitler was Catholic. As for being mean to animals, they participated in the animal holocaust just as we do.
What does it mean to be Catholic? As for being mean to animals, they participated in the animal holocaust just as we do.[/QUOTE] Correct me if you're wrong, but don't you hunt?
Well it is the old argument, who is the greater evil. Atheists or Theists. The two big heavy weights in this division Mao and Stalin represent complete opposite theological positions - So the answer may be less about the belief system of the person and more about the level of bastardization between the ears
No idea, and I don't really care to participate in the No True Scottsman Fallacy. I have, but I don't see that occurring in the future. lol
I dont see it as an example of no true Scotsman, typically Catholics will be baptized in the first few months of life, however as they get older they may choose not to follow the faith. So it is not a case of them not following their faith to the acceptance of others, they are simply just not practicing it at all.
There are quite a few speeches where Hitler says he is acting out the Will of God. People claim he was an atheist, but he seemed to use god quite a bit to justify X.
I never understood the "no true scottsman fallacy" since a Scottsman could very well be a Muslim, Jew, Christian, Buddhist, or atheist. Sure, Christians, even Catholics believe different things about their faith. I think you would find a lot more Christians would agree that it is more Christian to have Christianity a part of your life rather than merely be born in the faith or use it for political purposes. I don't see anything wrong with eating meat since we have been doing so since the before the beginnings of civilization. There are many other animals besides humans that are taking part in the great animal holocaust.
Hitler has always been problematic in these types of discussions. Historians have always been divided on what his personal belief system was, if he even had one.There is evidence pro and con from third hand sources of his private views. But everything is just so contradictory.
He was not a vegatarian. That's a lousy Nazi-propaganda, that's all. Try to be a boy scout in the years 1933-1945 in Germany then you know what an unbelievable bull(*)(*)(*)(*) you are propagating. Let me say in general: The Nazis under Hitler were in a new situation - this Nazis are harmless compared with everyone who is propagating Nazi-ideology today, because meanwhile everyone is able to know what really had happened under Hitler. Specially to be a Catholic and to be a Nazi are excluding each other - except someone has the mentality of a murderer and/or suicider. But the mentality of murder as well as the mentality of suicide are not compatiple with the catholic church and the christian faith. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuLiKz39ZOM
Germans try alway to be good to human beings and animals - what's for example also an heritage of the holy man Saint Franciscus. But every idiot worldwide seems to confuse the expression "Nazi" and "German". Short: Nazis are Aryans not Germans - perhaps this might help a little to clear completly confused minds. If you find an Aryan you can keep it in your colony of cockroaches, although cockroaches are nice animals compared with idiotlogically Nazi-aryans using a swastica flag - the flag of one of the worst terror organisations ever existed on this planet. You should be deeply ashamed that you choose murder and barbary as your symbol in your avatar. Shame on you. Shame on you. Shame on you. ... [video=youtube;vWVZLXuf7ds]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWVZLXuf7ds[/video] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnZyvKQgNYI
What about a brain transplantation? The so called Holcocaust was a gigantic industrialized massmurder of human beings on reasons of a destructive social darwinism. The Holocaust was a genocide. It has absolutelly nothing to do with animals - except that Nazis negated to be human beings by propagating to be a [hypothetical] superior race = "Aryans" and degraded in this way themselve to human animals. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TruKQyoZ7fU
People that claim you're using a NTSF are usually the ones that have used a broad brush approach to make a point. They're usually as guilty as the person they claim is using the NTSF.
I am a german Catholic with jewish ancestors - lots of my family members were murdered from Nazis .... and you like to be my enemy. So what do you think do I think about you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF4cTbq5-OU
I don't have any idea what this picture shows. <<< Mod Edit: Personal Attack >>>So who are the persons - what is date and time - what is the concrete situation in what circumstances and so on and so on ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTRpfld45Pw
Meanwhile I was able to identify some persons. The bishops are indeed bishops of the catholic church. One was bishop of Trier: Franz Rudolf Bornewasser and the other one was the bishop of Speyer: Ludwig Sebastian. I cannot see anything what would give anyone the right to call only one of them "Nazi". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnahNZWurto
Hitler was pretty famous before he got all too controversial. There are videos of rallies where the people of Germany are saluting Hitler. I'm willing to bet this picture was taken some time in the 1930's.
People that do this aren't interested with such things such as facts. They try which ever way they can to demonize the Church. "See bishops, saluting Hitler."