Florida man shoots door-to-door salesman dead for 'trespassing'

This case really isn't about Castle Docterine or SYG. This is an issue of someone who is mentally unfit to own a firearm. I imagine he will be evaulated and found not mentally compentent. He will spend the rest of his life in a mental health ward under heavy drugs.

 

You keep leaving out his text posts and facebook posts saying he needed someone to sell him the Robitussin because he wasn't old enough to buy that one item. Why do you keep leaving that part out? The more you lie about Trayvon's intent, his record of criminality, and his drug abuses; the more whites hate blacks and feel less sympathetic for this young black thug. You are taking the wrong tact. You should instead be concerned about how criminal blacks are and suggesting ways for them to be less criminal, more educated, and more inclusive in our white society.

 

While I have not lived in every State in America, I have lived in NY, CT, GA, SC, and UT. In those States, you absolutely must pass a federal, state, and local check when you purchase a handgun and you must pass even more rigorous checks for a CCW permit. In NY, you cannot even own a sidearm in your home for personal safety until after you get a special CCW permit for in-home ownership only. These tests check mental hospital and criminal databases. If you want to make an argument that this needs to change, you have to address individual rights to privacy. Many psychologists and psychiatrists probably do not contribute information on all of their patients to these FBI databases. But as it stands, you theoretically are precluded from just going out and willy-nilly buying a gun if you are an ex felon or a nutcase. One weak link in the chain were those used gun shows that happen on the weekends, but I believe most states are figuring out how to make that much safer too.

 

http://www.wnd.com/2007/04/41196/

25 years murder-free in 'Gun Town USA'
Crime rate plummeted after law required firearms for residents

As the nation debates whether more guns or fewer can prevent tragedies like the Virginia Tech Massacre, a notable anniversary passed last month in a Georgia town that witnessed a dramatic plunge in crime and violence after mandating residents to own firearms.

In March 1982, 25 years ago, the small town of Kennesaw – responding to a handgun ban in Morton Grove, Ill. – unanimously passed an ordinance requiring each head of household to own and maintain a gun. Since then, despite dire predictions of “Wild West” showdowns and increased violence and accidents, not a single resident has been involved in a fatal shooting – as a victim, attacker or defender.

The crime rate initially plummeted for several years after the passage of the ordinance, with the 2005 per capita crime rate actually significantly lower than it was in 1981, the year before passage of the law.

Prior to enactment of the law, Kennesaw had a population of just 5,242 but a crime rate significantly higher (4,332 per 100,000) than the national average (3,899 per 100,000). The latest statistics available – for the year 2005 – show the rate at 2,027 per 100,000. Meanwhile, the population has skyrocketed to 28,189.

By comparison, the population of Morton Grove, the first city in Illinois to adopt a gun ban for anyone other than police officers, has actually dropped slightly and stands at 22,202, according to 2005 statistics. More significantly, perhaps, the city’s crime rate increased by 15.7 percent immediately after the gun ban, even though the overall crime rate in Cook County rose only 3 percent. Today, by comparison, the township’s crime rate stands at 2,268 per 100,000.

This was not what some predicted.

In a column titled “Gun Town USA,” Art Buchwald suggested Kennesaw would soon become a place where routine disagreements between neighbors would be settled in shootouts. The Washington Post mocked Kennesaw as “the brave little city … soon to be pistol-packing capital of the world.” Phil Donahue invited the mayor on his show.

Reuters, the European news service, today revisited the Kennesaw controversy following the Virginia Tech Massacre.

Police Lt. Craig Graydon said: “When the Kennesaw law was passed in 1982 there was a substantial drop in crime … and we have maintained a really low crime rate since then. We are sure it is one of the lowest (crime) towns in the metro area.” Kennesaw is just north of Atlanta.

The Reuters story went on to report: “Since the Virginia Tech shootings, some conservative U.S. talk show hosts have rejected attempts to link the massacre to the availability of guns, arguing that had students been allowed to carry weapons on campus someone might have been able to shoot the killer.”

Virginia Tech, like many of the nation’s schools and college campuses, is a so-called “gun-free zone,” which Second Amendment supporters say invites gun violence – especially from disturbed individuals seeking to kill as many victims as possible.

Cho Seung-Hui murdered 32 and wounded another 15 before turning his gun on himself.

 

Why are you bringing up old news? that happened over a year ago. He's being tried for Second Degree murder, and is being held without bond.

 

Legally, the only mental health information that can be released is involuntary incarcerations into a mental hospital.

Gun dealers (the majority of sales at gun shows) are required to do NICS checks just like at their brick and mortar store. Private individuals are not required to do NICS checks anywhere, at home or at a gun show. The thing is gun shows are a distraction. Criminals just aren't going to gun shows to buy guns. Having been to a gun show, the last place I would buy a gun illegally would be at a gun show. There are too many cops around. Most gun shows have cops at the entrance, and most gun show dealers look like former cops.

 

I am firearms dealer and hold a Federal Firearms License. I am a collector, so candidly I do not sell. I just purchase. I have been to at least 50 or more gun shows in GA, PA, and NY. These three states require anyone who purchases a table / booth to do background checks prior to sale. The big problem is that head shrinkers don't contact Uncle Sam so that the FBI and BATFE can know who the nutcases are. Like the rampage in CT - why would the estranged husband not tell anyone that his wife was a gun collector and that his son was mentally retarded and had access to these guns? Why would the mother not be required to say she had retarded people in her home when she filled out the application to purchase weapons? There are flaws in the system and it is causing innocent people to die.

 

Hopefully they didn't actually try to enforce this law. I imagine it sent a message to the bad guys that our community is armed, so they went elsewhere to collect their spoils. Conservatives support freedom, which would be both freedom to arm yourself as well as to keep your house arms free. I imagine this law made an exception for felons and the mentally disturbed but still I don't imagine this law would pass Constitutional muster if challenged in court.

 

The law has exceptions for poverty, personal beliefs, and of course, if you are not legally allowed to own a weapon.

 

Yeah. Guns are really making the U.S. crime-free.

 

lobster tails...

 

Martin posted many things on FB to appear to be more gansta. If you believe everything you read, well...

Please prove that I'm lying about Trayvon's intent or just be quiet.

And, before you complain about "criminal blacks" being under-educated, try using grammar that isn't horrendous.

 

All of us have proven so many times that Trayvon was a druggie and a thug but you can't seem to get it through your skull that he was. You defend him merely because he is black and ignore all of what he has done. And yes, blacks are under-educated. Your personal attacks aside, the proof comes from the many studies that show that blacks have lower graduation rates at all levels of academia and lower IQ than some other races, including whites. You are entitled to your own opinions, but not entitled to your own set of facts.

 

The lower the percentage of blacks in a specific area, the lower the incidence of murder, rape, and assault. Conversely, areas that have high black populations have much higher crime. Guns aren't the problem. It's how they are being used by blacks. Statistics don't lie.

 

Sorry, but you didn't prove anything.

No. I defend him because he was a kid who was minding his own business who ended up dead.

True.

Where did I attack anyone? If you are referring to my remark about poor grammar, that's not an "attack". If you didn't mention blacks being poorly-educated then I would have ignored your horrible grammar in that post. I was merely pointing out the irony.

Firstly, your grammar has improved.

Secondly, I agree that blacks in the US are less educated. What can we do to help them with this problem that makes the US look like a racist society?

 

I got a $50 says he gets 20-life. Any takers?

 

Hope the lobster TAILS where on ice .

 

The only mental condition that disqualifies you federally from buying a gun is one that requires involuntary committment or a judge declaring you mentally defective. That is a matter of public record.

 

That would be my bet as well.

 

Because the people with mental health problems are not being reported and do not get on the list for background checks.

Hold the appropriate people accountable... the details are much to long to go into on a mesage board. Until such time as we are able to report mental health problems, I would start by getting rid of shooting galleries called "gun-free" zones.

 

That needs to be fixed, obviously. You should not own guns if you have a whole host of mental disorders (such as being anti-social) or if someone in your home is mentally defective and has access to your weapons.

 

I am not black and have no skin in the game. If you are black, you do something. Blacks need to help themselves. I am 52 and it's not my turn to babysit them.

They can help themselves quite easily. For one they can get off their lazy butt and get a job. Most people that abuse welfare, section-8, and food stamps are black. Secondly they can stay in school. Nobody kicks them out unless they are stealing, doing drugs, violating other school rules, etc. If you show up at school every day and do what you are told you don't get kicked out - period. Thirdly they can ditch the stupid thug culture, the ebonics, etc. When in Rome, do as the Romans. It's an old saying. Meaning: act like the law-abiding white people in America. Use proper English, dress appropriately, treat people respectfully, etc. Lastly, stop doing crime. Nobody makes these blacks commit murder and assault. I know I never go up to black people and tell them they should beat up or kill anyone. I highly doubt other whites are telling them to do that. So if black males make up 7% of USA, then they should do 7% of the assaults and murders and not 55%. So there you have it - when blacks stop their bull and start pulling their weight in this society, nobody will have any issues with them.

 

The lobster killer? If he is white and has no criminal record before this, I would say he gets a 5 year negligent homicide charge or some other stupid slap on the wrist. Or if they give him 20 they tell him he is out in 3 with good behavior. The odds of a white dude getting 20+ on his first criminal offense is quite slim since he will say this was not planned at all and was merely an accident. You see drunks that kill people get way less than 20 even though those (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s should get the electric chair.

 

Florida has a 10-20-Life law.

 

Yeah... employers and head hunters are lined up, begging for black employees.

Since laws have to be made to force employers to end discriminatory hiring and hire more black people, your suggestion that black people can just jump up and get a job is laughable. They only job they'll be lucky enough to get is where employers are forced to hire them under law.

Welfare is what happens when employers deny you jobs based on your skin color. What else are they supposed to do, starve?

Yes. They should stay in school so that they can be humiliated even more when they're denied jobs based on their skin color.

Yes, black people need to "do what they are told". You've mentioned it several times and I get it. We all get it.

I know, right? I mean, they have nerve not conforming to white America. They obviously don't know their place.

From the assembly lines in Detroit to the cotton fields of Georgia, black people built - literally built - America. Why should they conform to your white America?

I come to this site and see all of the racist posts about how black people deserve to be shot or need to talk more white. I see the racist "buckwheat" and black-face avatars. I see the racist watermelon gifs. Then, you say that black people need to "treat people respectfully."

I'd explain how oppression brings poverty, and poverty brings crime, but I just don't think it would sink in. It feels much better to blame black people for all of their problems. They chained themselves, brought themselves to America, got themselves whipped by slave owners, enacted Jim Crow laws, and they get themselves killed while buying candy.